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HYB MTB Persona's children


(Colette Thurillet X Persona) bloomed this spring and gave 2 pods, with Impulsive Imp and Miss Nellie
(Earl of Essex X Persona) bloomed this summer and gave 3 pods, with DD05-20bRE = S(mell the Rose x What Again), Lake Reprise and Claire Doodle.
 
They seem to mix well with tetraploides.
They don't look diploide at all. Neither the flower nor the plant.
 

PERSONA

(Keith Keppel, R. 2004) Sdlg. 99-3A. MTB, 18" (46 cm), M
S. mauve-toned taupe (M&P 5-H-7 aging 5-D-8); style arms same, flushed lavender; F. white ground sharply veined mulberry (45-K-10), lower part flushed heather (42-H-8), narrow edge matching S.; beards light chrome yellow (10-L-4) at end, spanish yellow (10-L-7) in throat. SIGNA seed, Astrachanica Kalmikij (open pollinated) X Bangles. Keppel 2005

i assumed Astrachanica Kalmikij  and Bangles were diploids, but, according to my experience, they don't seem to be.

What do you think?

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