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RE: Re: NOIDS [was: Just in from seller]

  • Subject: RE: [iris-photos] Re: NOIDS [was: Just in from seller]
  • From: "Char Holte" cholte@wi.rr.com
  • Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:30:02 -0500
  • Importance: Normal

My experience is very similar to John's.  You are not a Grinch!

Char, New Berlin WI

-----Original Message-----
From: iris-photos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:iris-photos@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of John I Jones
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:00 AM
To: iris-photos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [iris-photos] Re: NOIDS [was: Just in from seller]

At the risk of being a spoil sport, I have to give one of my periodic  
soundings about identifying irises from digital pictures.

Lets begin with the garden: The same cultivar will look slightly  
different depending on the conditions of the soil in the different  

Now about taking the picture: Different cameras (either digital or  
conventional) take pictures with different casts to them. Different  
times of day make an iris look very different in an image. When you  
compress an image into a jpeg file, youchange the color slightly  
(although probably not noticably on the standard monitor).

Lets say you scan a picture, different scanners scan pictures with  
different casts to them.

The magic monitor: Even if I could get a scan of a color chip from a  
standard set (like the RHS color set) to look the same on my monitor as  
the chip looks itself, unless I had a very expensive color calibration  
device for my monitor, and you had a similar device, both of us having  
very expensive monitors, the color you would see on your monitor would  
probably look very different from the way it appeared on mine.

I have two large, reasonably high end, identical monitors on my system  
(no color calibrators) connected to two different interfaces (made by  
the same company) and the same picture looks very different on the two.

Until the technology improves, you just cannot use any digital image to  
compare colors, or identify a particular iris. The best you can do is  
get a list of candidates to grow right next to the NOID and see then if  
they are the same.

John the grinch

On Feb 4, 2004, at 9:29 PM, jjbhphd wrote:

> Friends,
> With so many knowledgable participants with varied experience, I bet
> NOIDS would not remain on the NOID list for long. There would be an  
> identification, a confirmation, and an alternaative point of view. The  
> discussion would continue until a 100%, 90%, 80%, etc. consensus  
> emereged
> Then the NOID would no longer be a NOID and be reabsorbed into the
> general data base, and a gardener's question happily answered.
> James Harrison
> Asheville
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Robt R Pries
>> To: iris-photos@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [iris-photos] Re: NOIDS [was: Just in from seller]
>> Kent Appleberry <appleb@cut.net> wrote:
>>> How would a NOID site or section of a site work? Just wondering what 
>>> you and Pat (or others) have in mind. How does HIPS handle NOID
>>> inquiries?
>>> Kent
>>> Sanpete County, Utah
>>> Kent et al: There are some interesting ways in which photos might be
>>> gathered. I will refer everyone to the Pacific Bulb Societies  
>>> website  http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/ 
>>> HomePage 
>>> It takes a while to go from page to page because of file size, but
>>> it is a format called a wiki that allows for anyone to add pictures.  
>>> The moderator of course needs to review these and it is quite a  
>>> task. Nonetheless there are options such as this if we learn how to  
>>> use them. Unfortunately I have not had the time to learn how to  
>>> create a Wiki.
>>> Efforts for collecting photos are at the moment confined to the
>>> various sections and their is no group that has tackled TB's.
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John                | "There be dragons here"
                          |  Annotation used by ancient cartographers
                          |  to indicate the edge of the known world.

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