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  • Subject: RE: [iris-photos]NOID:ID's
  • From: "Char Holte" cholte@wi.rr.com
  • Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:47:31 -0500
  • Importance: Normal

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Hi Harold,
I think you are absolutely right and that is a good method.
Noids are a pain.
Char, New Berlin WI
-----Original Message-----
From: iris-photos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:iris-photos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harold Peters
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:14 PM
To: iris-photos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [iris-photos]NOID:ID's

There are two points I would like to add to your discussion below. First, the vast majority of gardeners don't care about the cultivar names of their plants. That applies to roses and daylilies as well as irises. Those of us who do care know that it takes 3 levels of documentation (computer map, field staking and video taping) combined with an obsessive attention to detail to maintain accurate records. That means that even more errors are to be expected. I have been told that during bloom season Schreiner's has a 3 man crew who spend all day rouging the field beds.
Second point is that identification technology is still not up to the level to be fully useful. The most obvious level of identification is visual. Until there is a  color standard that can be used with color calibrated cameras and monitors, there is little hope of significant improvement over current practices. I was having a similar conversation about a year ago and  made the statement that this identification problem would only be solved when a complete DNA profile had to be attached to the AIS registration form. Someone in the group who knew a lot more about DNA profiling than I do stated that that technology had a lot more development to do before it would be useful for this purpose. It has to be able to distinguish between siblings.
When I find a misidentified clump in my garden, I replace the cultivar name stake with one that says "for sale immediately". When a customer is interested, I watch their body language closely and price the clump to sell then. When the customer says "Yes" I      get the shovel. The customer is happy and I am happy to get rid of the NOID.
Harold Peters
Beautiful View Iris Garden
2048 Hickok Road
El Dorado Hills, CA 95762
harold@directcon.net  www.beautiful-view-iris.com
-----Original Message-----
From: iris-photos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:iris-photos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Robt R Pries
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 6:29 PM
To: iris-photos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [iris-photos]NOID:ID's


How can we reduce the number of misnamed Iris? There are times when I feel a great many Iris people don't read. Many of course don't even know what a checklist is. Having assembled the species checklist and put descriptions in it that were not easily available I find it disconcerting when I see people post questions that would be easily answered there. But again people don't read. One of the reasons I keep campaigning for illustrated checklists is that people do look at pictures. Even if you can't identify an iris from a photo you can often say when it is wrong. If we are ever to get fewer misnamed Iris for sale I say we need photo galleries to refer to. Written descriptions are good too, but again people who don't read will look at pictures.

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