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Hi El,

 

Here in the Springfield MO area we have/had an iris we called Black Beauty; it's a novelty type that looks like a rosebud. I did have it but that bed is such a mess it may not still be there, and someone, maybe a dog, moved the marker. It has six standards and three falls! I have some photos someplace that Bev DeWitt gave me one year. Others in the area are probably still growing it, but it doesn't multiply well so it will be rare for some time to come.

 

So there is a Black Beauty out there, but probably not the one in the historic book.

 

Cheers, Barb in SW MO

 

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From: e*@mymts.net

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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 3:19 PM

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Thanks Chuck.  I'll make a note in my iris db to check this out next spring.  Actually, I'll go hunt down the label now, as whatever this one is, it had the Black Beauty label near it.

 

I'm very careful when I get new iris.  I normally plant them all in the nursery bed, and leave them there til they bloom, so I can confirm their id.

 

Plus, these days, there's more pix on the internet to help re-id some that have lost their labels.

 

An historic iris is where I sometimes spend years tracking down a source, then wait for that iris to bloom to confirm it's correct, then compare.  So you see, I end up with more than just 2 iris.  And I'm often just guessing at what my unknown might be.  I'm getting rather tired of it, although it does help keep my id'ing skills sharp.

 

For example, I got SDB's Fire One and Live Coals from 2 diff sources back around 2001.  They sure look alike to me, so I got 1 more of each a few yrs later.  They won't co-operate and bloom the same year.  Then, I saw Ever Ready, which also looks much like these 2.  So, now I have 5 iris instead of just 2.  I should be able to look at the original 2 and be able to say, yes, that's you for sure.

 

El, near Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:54 PM

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Here is a photo of Midnight Express.

"Black Beauty" is a name  that I could see someone putting on a black iris that they don't know name of. Such as a local nursery or a local  grower that nursery is getting a plants from. Of  of course there is the Holland  mass growers that arbitrarily put names on plants.

  Seen a few of those.  Dominion nursery (when still in business)  had about 10 iris for sale in their catalog one year, none of them  were correctly named. They had an "Edith Wolford"  that appeared to be from 1930's. I let them know, and they didn't buy from that wholesaler again.

Chuck Chapman

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From: Eleanor Hutchison <e*@mymts.net>
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Sent: Thu, Sep 22, 2011 1:20 pm
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Boy, don't I know that, Chuck!  Although I'm down to around 50 unknowns now, instead of around 150.

 

Now that I look at my records, I got Midnight Express from you in 1997 and also brought it with me when I moved here in 1999.  Does my photo look like that one?

 

El

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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:06 PM

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That doesn't mean name is correct.

Do you remember where you got you cultivar.?

Here is "The Black Douglas". It and Sable were the "Black" iris of that time. Both were what we would now call dark purple.  No ruffling and not nearly the shade of black of your cultivar. And much narrower petals.

If  your "Black Beauty" was around in 19389 it would have won dykes medal hands down.

I just checked the 1939 check list. "Black Beauty" was registered in 1928 by Kirk, who died in 1939. the on line list refers to the 1939 checklist, not the year of introduction.

Chuck Chapman

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From: Eleanor Hutchison <e*@mymts.net>
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Sent: Thu, Sep 22, 2011 12:10 pm
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I'm sure it's the same Black Beauty, as there are no others in the AIS online register.  I've had mine for well over 10 years.

 

El

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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:49 AM

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Oh, Oh, you mean there is another introduction with the name "Black Beauty" -great!

I sure does look like yours.  Thank you so much El!

 

Janet

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Eleanor Hutchison <e*@mymts.net> wrote:

 

Taking into account a better photo & a different angle, it sure looks like my Black Beauty, which is quite lovely.

 

El, near Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

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The only registered iris with the name "Black Beauty" was 1939.

It does not look like a 1939 iris to me.

 

Janet

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Marsha <M*@aol.com> wrote:

 

It says HM Black Beauty...is that not the name?

Marsha
Mid TN

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From: AIS Janet Smith <g*@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:56 pm
Subject: [iris-photos] What is the name of this iris or.....

 

Does anyone know Jan Leaky of Missouri?

I don't have a good phone number for her and am trying to find out the name of the iris

she won Honorable Mention on in the Youth Division 2009.  The link is below.

 

Or does anyone know the name.  I have several people really wanting to know:

 

http://www.irises.org/Photo_and_Galleries/Contest_Winners/2009%20Photo%20Contest.html

 

Thank you,

 

Janet Smith

Central California

Mountains