Re: 'Tid-bit' - I. pallida cengialtii?

Dave and Everyone:
  I need to ask a 'dumb' question here. If Tid-Bit was an intro of someone 
(forgot whom, offhand), then it was a cross of something that someone 
'created'. If so, how could it be a clone of Cengliati?
Is not Cengliati a 'wild' iris of Europe? Would not the word 'clone' mean 
identical genetic makeup?
I kind of suspect you are using the word 'clone' to describe a similar but 
not necessarily identical genetic blueprint.
Were one to identify various populations of some species in the wild, and 
they were distinct geographically, and one had a trait the other did not 
(for instance deepness of color), are they clones? Does this represent a 
natural genetic mutation?
Thanks,
Laetitia

 >From: "David Ferguson" <manzano57@msn.com>
>Reply-To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
>To: <iris-species@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [iris-species] 'Tid-bit' - I. pallida cengialtii?
>Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:01:07 -0600
>
>Hi all,
>
>Thanks for all the comments.
>
>Laetitia,
>
>The photo was really helpful.  There is enough detail between the flowers 
>shown for me to get a fairly good idea what the plant looks like.  I'll do 
>some more detailed comparing with clones of I. pallida cengialtii, but this 
>really does look as though it may be another clone of that taxon.  It would 
>be great to find some history for the plant.  It might help shed a lot of 
>light on just what it really is to know where it was from (beyond 
>introducer and date).
>
>I lot of MTB's look as if they have cengialtii in their background, but it 
>isn't always clear from the pedigrees (there are so many numbered seedlings 
>that were never introduced, and which appear to not have documentation 
>available - maybe there are breeder notes buried here and there).  Anyway, 
>this clone looks like maybe another pathway for cengialtii genes to have 
>gotten into the breeding lines.
>
>Now to hunt down a piece and grow it!
>
>By the way, I'd be curious to see the other photo.  Even if it may be 
>wrong, it would be fun to see what it looks like.
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Dave




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