I got Gil's theses. Thanks. Neomarica exima is now considered a non
valid name, but didn't locate what it is a pseudonym of.
The three genetic studies all concur with previous suspicions that
there are problems in the clades. A couple were polyphylogenetic ,
and plants with different genus were actually in same genus. Some of
the branches are different in the three studies, not same species in
each one, and some bootstrap values were very low. So each is point
out errors in other studies and defending criticism. No agreement in
how to straighten this out.
Of course they could pool data and redo the phylogenetic trees. Or
someone else could just download the data they placed in gene bank and
do study with all of the data compiled.
Interesting to watch them in action, now that I know how this is done.
Chuck Chapman
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From: Rodney Barton <rbartontx@yahoo.com>
To: iris-species <iris-species@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 17, 2014 11:01 am
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Very interesting! Letters to the editor even? That means it's serious!
:)
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From: Chuck Chapman <irischapman@aim.com>
To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Neomarica eximia
 Thanks.Actually there have been several
genetic studies. Here are twoChauveau, O., Eggers, L., Souza-Chies, T.
T., & Nadot, S. (2012). Oil-producing flowers within the Iridoideae
(Iridaceae): evolutionary trends in the flowers of the New World
genera. Annals of botany, 110(3), 713-729.Lovo, J., Winkworth, R. C., &
Mello-Silva, R. (2012). New insights into Trimezieae (Iridaceae)
phylogeny: what do molecular data tell us?. Annals of botany, 110(3),
689-702.And there is a publication war over classification system
currently ongoing. Publications and letters to editors arguing for
their view. and which genus names are valid or nor valid etc.Chuck
Chapman-----Original Message-----From: Rodney Barton
<rbartontx@yahoo.com>To: iris-species
<iris-species@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Thu, Apr 17, 2014 7:20
amSubject: Re: [iris-species] Neomarica eximiaÂHis thesis published
last year. It's available for download if you register. You may need to
be affiliated with a university.RevisÃo taxonÃmica e estudos
filogenÃticos do gÃnero Neomarica s.l. (Iridaceae)It is in Portuguese
and I've only used a translator on select bits so I may not be getting
the full picture. I believe this is the first DNA work published on the
Neomarica. I'm sure we've yet to hear the final word.RFrom: Chuck
Chapman <irischapman@aim.com> To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [iris-species]
Neomarica eximia  Which of Gil's articles are
you looking at? There seems to be three groups in south America
looking at the iridaceae there, and they don't seem to be talking to
each other. they all have different views. Two of them are having a
publications war re nomenclature.Chuck Chapman-----Original
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iris-species <iris-species@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Wed, Apr 16,
2014 1:28 pmSubject: Re: [iris-species] Neomarica eximia [1
Attachment]ÂChuck,Here's the plant. Not much to see really, only a
single fan. The stalk was almost this tall before I staked it. I'm sure
in the outdoors it would have "walked." The yard stick against the wall
is for scale!I looked at Gil's thesis a bit last night. It looks like
he has moved this and a few other Neomarica to a yet unnamed genus
based on DNA studies. He has also says fluminensis is the same as
sabini.RodFrom: Chuck Chapman <irischapman@aim.com> To:
iris-species@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Neomarica eximiaÂ
Thanks for photo.I'd love to see photo of plant and a closeup of flower
showing anther.Chuck Chapman-----Original Message-----From: Rodney
Barton <rbartontx@yahoo.com>To: Iris Species
<iris-species@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Mon, Apr 14, 2014 1:17
pmSubject: [iris-species] Neomarica eximia [1 Attachment]ÂNeomarica
eximia blooming today! I had to stand in a chair. The stalk is almost
5' tall.RodneyIN Texas where we're finally getting all those stalks we
were wishing for AIS and now there is a freeze warning tonight! :(Â
