For the record I also am doing some breeding with aphylla, as well as
some crosses with pumila, including some pumilla X aphylla crosses
which should bloom next year.
Some very neat things comming out of aphylla h-17, or as it has been
registered Yellow Conundrum.
Lyn Markham has gotten some not-anthocyanin flowers first generation
from a purple aphylla, but it is rare.
Also some plicatas will show up in unexpectadly high ratios in second
generation
Chuck Chapman
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:45 am
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Dolce & Petit Lion (not Gabbana)
Dear Bill: I am delighted to see another person interested in
hybridizing with species. Brad Kasparek also has a hybridizing program
involving aphylla as well as Stephanie Markham and Cindy Rust. The
Craigs have done some fantastic work but in my mind have not been
adequately recognized for all they have done.
If you are looking for immediate recognition this is not the path to
take. New ideas have been always been scorned by the establishment.
Years ago people discouraged ruffles and lace as deformities. Horned
Iris are still dismissed by some purist. Over a decade ago I campaigned
to created the category SPECX. Many still do not understand the goal of
this class is to encourage innovation. It also allows
every plant to
come into the awards system. I am constantly explaining that it
includes every hybrid iris and with the species Iris, all Iris fall
within these two categories, all other classes are refinements and have
narrower paradigms. Enough of my soapbox.
I hope to do some hybridizing with aphylla also. I have no goals that I
am trying to develop but just interested in experimenting to try to
understand the species and see what it may do. Like Cindy I intend to
do some crosses with Arils and also MDBs to groups that I have a great
fondness for.
If you are planning to use aphylla be aware that the species is quite
variable. The common purple-flowered forms, often carry dominant genes
for that color so that if you want to have a lot of color variation,
you must seek out the white or paler purple forms. Another problem I
have as a species advocate is that, when one uses a cultivar name
people assume the plant is no longer a species. Cultivar names are the
best way of distinguishing the different forms of a species but of
course they are also used for hybrids. It drives me nuts that many
species forms are disseminated under collection numbers like B-12
instead of a legitimate cultivar name. A registered cultivar names
provides an official reference to a description and other information
whereas the numbers and letters often get lost or transposed.
I hope you are toleran
t of my rants. I am working on a project for
SIGNA that will show how species are distributed throughout the
country. If you would like to take part I will send you a one page
survey.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Chaney" <billchaney@ymail.com>
To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:09:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Dolce & Petit Lion (not Gabbana)
Hi Robert,
I have been very impressed with Paul's work and I just planted the
Dolce I ordered from him. I was pretty sure there was aphylla twice,
but didn't remember just how. I am interested in working with aphylla
bred iris but am still in the learning stage. I know the Craigs did a
lot of work along these lines and I have ordered some of their lines
that Wildwood is carrying. Any comments or suggestions are welcome.
Bill
From: Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:31:27 AM
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Dolce & Petit Lion (not Gabbana)
Bill: one point to note about Dolce pedigree: The two parents of Dolce
were each one-half Iris aphylla.
Paul used an Iris species to try to create a new type of Iris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Polly Kinsman" <pollykinsman@ yahoo.com>
To: iris-species@ yahoogroups.
com
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:12:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Dolce & Petit Lion (not Gabbana)
Hi Bill,
The AIS registry shows: F175BB: (Northern Jewel x 91196A: (8864B:
((Navy Waves x Bride's Halo) x sib) x C. Palmer aphylla sdlg.)) X
B194C: (Abridged Version x 91135D: ((Centerfold x Wings of Dreams) x
Birthday Gift)). Mid-America 2003.
Polly
From: Bill Chaney <billchaney@ymail. com>
To: iris-species@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:14:38 AM
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Dolce & Petit Lion (not Gabbana)
Does anyone have the pedigree of Dolce handy?
Thanks,
Bill
From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear. com>
To: iris-species@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 3:30:12 PM
Subject: [iris-species] Dolce & Petit Lion (not Gabbana)
Does anyone have pics of Dolce and/or Petit Lion that I can put on the
SIGNA website? They were this year's SIGNA winners.
advTHANKSance,
Dennis in Cincy (where summer heat is here at last)
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