I of course meant to type Avent.
If I understand the ICNCP correctly, I could, right this second,
create a web page offering to sell my own boring TB seedlings to the
public. As long as I post a picture of each plant with the name I have
given it, that becomes the official name of that iris cultivar. It
would presumably be a good idea for me to register the name with AIS
as well so that someone's keeping better track of the data, but it's
not necessary, according to international rules.
Sean Z
Quoting "Sean A. Zera" <z*@umich.edu>:
> What Advent is trying to say is that under the International Code of
> Nomenclature for Cultivated Plants, if some Dutch grower names a new
> iris cultivar and introduces it to the public, that cultivar name is
> the legitimate name (assuming no other iris has been so previously
> named). They do not have to register it with anyone, and no one can
> use that name for another iris, not even AIS. This is true for any
> cultivated plant.
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> Sean Z
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> Quoting Polly <p*@yahoo.com>:
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>> The English base of Gerald Darby is one reason I thought Claire
>> Austins iris might be more accurate.
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>> Just in case you would like to see it here is my discussion with
>> Tony Avent. There is also quite a bit about it on the JI robin.
>> Dennis Hager contacted Tony Avent also.
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>> Where Mr. Avent says try to get these irises registered makes no
>> sense, and he knows it. If you buy five of those irises you probably
>> will never get the one you ordered.
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>> Another thing he states, "Once a cultivar name and image are
>> published, that name is established and valid. " So, in essence that
>> would make my Gerald Darby established and valid, since it has been
>> named and an image published, at least as far back as 1998.
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>> First my email, then Mr. Avents.
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>> Hello there,
>> I am a beardless iris grower, and I was looking at your site for
>> something nifty to buy, and saw Queen's Tiara. A lovely picture.
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>> I checked the Japanese iris registry, and there is no iris
>> registered under that name. I then searched for it on the internet,
>> and came up with only your listing and Van Bourgodien.
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>> Please tell me that it's an old registry or some such, and that your
>> company is not selling no named, made up named, or incorrectly named
>> irises from the Dutch growers, which is becoming a huge problem in
>> the Japanese iris industry, and has been the subject of many a
>> discussion in the Japanese Iris Society.
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>> i would truly love to know the origion of Queen's Tiara.
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>> i was able to find Tora Tora listed under Tora-Tora, so I'm hoping
>> I'm just not finding Queen's Circle for some odd reason.
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>> Thank you,
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>> Polly Kinsman
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>> Dear Polly:
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>> Thanks for your note about the Japanese iris. As you are most
>> certainly aware, far less than 1% of all perennial cultivars are
>> "registered" with the proper authorities. Once a cultivar name and
>> image are published, that name is established and valid. Proper
>> registrations certainly make my job catalog writing easier, but any
>> nursery who decides to only carry "registered" cultivars would
>> quickly be out of business. I would suggest that you encourage the
>> Japanese Iris Society to work to register these unregistered
>> varieties, as has been done by groups such as the American Hosta
>> Society. It's the only way to make this happen since many breeders
>> often have no reason or interest to register them themselves. Think
>> of this as you would purchasing a pet....a tiny handful of folks
>> will only buy a "registered" pet, while the majority of people could
>> care less and buy one because it looks nice and performs well. I
>> hope this helps.
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>> --- In i*@yahoogroups.com, ChatOWhitehall@... wrote:
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>>> I'm coming late to this discussion, so forgive me, please,?if I
>>> repeat other contributions. I'm just lining out some Check List
>>> data?here for my own information, so will share a few thoughts.
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>>> Regarding pods, note that the?revised entry for Iris 'Gerald Darby'
>>> in the 1989 AIS Check Lists says?"Sets few good seeds." It reads,
>>> in toto,
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>>> GERALD DARBY. (G. Darby by Coe, R. 1968) Change of classification,
>>> description, and parentage, to: LAEV?apogon hybrid, up to 6' (183
>>> cm). Blue violet with violet-colored leaf bases. Appears to belong
>>> to I. xrobusta, E. Anderson, the cross of I. veriscolor with I.
>>> virginica. Sets few good seeds. Chromosome count 2n=88-89.???
>>> ?
>>> And the original Check List entry, from the 1969 volume:
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>>> GERALD DARBY. (Coe for G. Darby, deceased, R. '68). Sib-LA, 30",?
>>> June, V1D. Blue-purple self; twisted red stems. Flowers of
>>> Siberian; growth hapbit of I. foliosa. Orientalis x prob. two LA
>>> hybrids. Norton Hall '67.
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>>> Norton Hall is?identified as Norton Hall Nurseries, Cold Norton,
>>> Essex, England.??
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>>> Regarding color charts. At various times several different charts
>>> have been favored by people and institutions?in registering the
>>> names of Iris cultivars. There has, however,?been some thought that
>>> the RHS chart was of limited utility as too often the colors did
>>> not match those of the flowers, and the cost was so high that it
>>> was not to be assumed that most people reading the?descriptions
>>> would have the chart to hand to translate the codes.
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>>> Registrations?for cultivars do differ sunstantially in kind and in
>>> form?from the descriptions required for the?publication of a new
>>> species, which are much more regimented.
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>>> About botanical drawings: I always feel very frustrated when the
>>> images in Curtis's or wherever do not show the root system, or
>>> bulb. It is uniquely annoying with the Junos; the plants look
>>> hacked off, and implausible.
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>>> I'm surprized to hear Plant Delights was reportedly?insensitive to
>>> the issues at hand.?I don't worship at the Plant Delights shrine,
>>> or have not since my personal?vision has?matured in another
>>> direction,?but I know that they are, or were, AIS members, and that
>>> Avent has often articulated?firm resolve with regard to ensuring
>>> correct nomenclature of his offerings?from other genera. I can't
>>> see him going off the ethical rails for a bunch of?subprime ensata
>>> seedlings.?
>>> ?
>>> AMW
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