Re: Re: setosa, hookeri, tridentata, var. canandensis and var. arctica

OK Ken, where is "here." We need to remember to put our location in our comments ALL the time for newcomers and for old fogeys like me.            Joan Cooper, Minnesota

Ken Walkup wrote:
Tom,
         Tridentata is easy to tell apart from setosa & hookerii.  It
blooms about a month later, in mid July here in central NY (USDA 5), and it
is stoloniferous.  Even without digging it up, you can tell it apart by the
form of the bloom, once you have seen it.  I can't describe the differences
without having either the plant or a good photo in front of me, but it's
not hard.
         Here tridentata grows but not all that well. I think it wants more
water than I'm able to give it.
         Hookerii will cross with setosa, I'm sure.  There may not be
hybrids registered as such, because they were considered the same
species.  A couple of years ago Tony Huber donated some seed to the SIGNA
exchange labeled 'Pointe Riche X Innu Spring', which I am growing, although
it has not bloomed yet.  That represents hookerii x one of the Alaskan
varieties.
         Ken
At 12:27 PM 2/26/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>Thanks to everyone for all the information.
>So, to sum it all up, so far.
>1)Iris setosa has 2n=38.
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>2)Most people would probably agree that I.tridentata is a distinct
>species. It may have some relation to the Louisiana iris species. It
>may or may not hybridize with setosa. But having 2n=40, the offspring
>might have fertility problems. Consider: "the Hexagonae species have
>chromosome counts that vary little--from 2n=42 for I. fulva and I.
>nelsonii to 2n=44 for I. brevicaulis, I. giganticaerulea, and I.
>hexagona." -(from Society for Louisiana Irises webpage @
>http://sliris.bizland.com/aboutsli/history1.html)
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>3)Iris hookeri should probably be considered a separate species in
>spite of gross morphological similarity to setosa, because studies
>have shown it to have "very distinct chemical differences." I'm
>guessing it will cross with setosa rather easily??
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>4)As for Iris setosa throughout the western North American and Asian
>range, distinct groups probably exist. These may be interfertile but
>probably are being kept somewhat separated by geography and habitat
>preferences. For example: visit this site about two forms of setosa
>in Alaska (http://www.alaska.edu/opa/eInfo/index.xml?StoryID=105).
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>Do the western Northern American I.setosa and the eastern I.hookeri
>overlap ranges in the middle? Has anyone ever hybridized setosa with
>Louisiana irises?
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