Re: Iris pallida cultivars and nomenclatural question

--- In iris-species@yahoogroups.com, Robt R Pries <rpries@s...> wrote:
"As I understand it the current trend in botany and not provide a 
proper botanical name for hybrids. In otherwords let the 
horticulturalistr establish classification names without a botanical 
name for horticultural groups."

Bob, when you mentioned "squalid" in reference to the question of the 
use of "squalens" I posed--I thought, "Of course!  How obvious."  
That was very helpful.

Your comment above, addressed to Dave Ferguson, describes a trend I 
welcome wholeheartedly.  The use of *Iris Xaltobarbata* for TB 
tetraploids makes far more sense than the often used *Iris 
germanica,* which I have seen many places, among others at the NC 
state Arboretum, less than three miles from the home I share with my 
wife, Dorothy.  Whenever I see *germanica* used in this way I cringe, 
considering the *germanica* types are the 44-chromosome hybrids 
between unreduced gametes from n=12 sources and the dwarf we used to 
call *chamaeiris,* but the name of which now used I find slow to 
surface.  The hanging term changes on the memory framework seems more 
difficult as one ages.

I have no argument with the use of *squalens* if we *must* use a name 
for the diploid hybrids.  I am bothered somewhat, however, at still 
another redifinition of what once were quite specific terms--i.e., 
applying "amoena" to anything with white standards and colored falls 
of whatever genetic constituion, where the term once refered only to 
the specific genetic array responsible for the "Wabash" type, diploid 
or tetraploid.

"Squalens" did also describe a whole lot of tetraploid, not just 
diploid, blends in the days when the term was used to describe an AIS 
category.  

As to considering the diploid Eupogons as *only* hybrids between 
*pallida* and *variegata* overlooks the slight but real possibility 
of quite a number of other n=12 species possiby being in the mix.

I am greatly enjoying your comments and those of Dave Ferguson--
despite the academic "idle" time.

Neil Mogensen  z 7  western NC mountains





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