Re: Tetraploid Iris Pallida? PBF

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The plant that we refer to as "Dalmatica" now, does not have any purple at the 
base of the leaves.  However, it would be interesting to know if it is the same 
plant referred to by Parkinson, and if different, which one is the "real" one.
Dave

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> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 09:41:48 -0400
> Subject: Re: [iris-species] Tetraploid Iris Pallida? PBF
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> If we accept--and I do-- that the great English horticulturist John
> Parkinson intended to refer to I. pallida Lam. in his Paradisi in
> Sole... , then purple based foliage is documented in at
> least some clones of this species as early as 1629. In the context of
> discussing the bearded irises generally, and describing them severally,
> he said:
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> "Iris Dalmatica major: The Great Dalmatian Flowerdeluce.
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> The greater Flowerdeluce of Dalmatia, has his leaves as large and broad
> as any of the Flowerdeluces whatsoever, his stalke and flower doe
> equall his other proportion, onely the colour of the flower is
> differing, being of a faire watchet or bleake blew colour wholly, with
> the yellow frize or thrum down the middle of the lower or falling
> leaves, as before is said to be common to all these sorts of
> Flowerdeluces, in all other parts it little differeth, saving only that
> this is observed to have a small shew of a purplish red about the
> bottome of the greene leaves.
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> Cordially,
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> AMW
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Ferguson
> To: iris-species
> Sent: Fri, Jun 3, 2011 11:21 pm
> Subject: RE: [iris-species] Tetraploid Iris Pallida? PBF
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> Another two-cents worth.
> There was an interesting comment made during this discussion that I
> didn't comment on, but just now saw it mentioned again. Somebody
> mentioned that I. pallida can have PBF. I just wanted to comment that
> I have never personally - ever - seen any purple on the foliage nor on
> the spathes or bracts of any selection of Iris pallida of any variety.
> Not even on cultivars that many doubt are pure I. pallida (but that
> have all the characteristics of the species).
> On the other hand, I have seen PBF on lots of hybrids that have I.
> pallida as one parent, with the PBF apparently always coming from the
> other parent. Lots (if not most) hybrids that have I. variegata as the
> other parent (or even children of these removed by a generation of two)
> will show PBF, and some of these do resemble I. pallida somewhat.
> Also, I realize the fact that when talking about unreduced gametes, I
> ignored the vegetative abnormalities that can result in polyploidy
> (still unreduced cells - but not gametes, and through various other
> happenstances. I didn't mean to imply that I think these unimportant,
> indeed as stated here, they are often the way that polyploids come to
> be.
> best wishes to all,
> Dave Fergusoncentral NM (where I haven't seen an Iris flower for
> several days now, and envy those of you who are still getting to enjoy
> them).
>
>
> 
                      

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