Re: I. dalmatica

 

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Chuck Chapman

-----Original Message-----
From: John Jones <j*@usjoneses.com>
To: iris-species <i*@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, May 11, 2012 3:00 pm
Subject: Re: [iris-species] I. dalmatica

Well, chalk it up to my lack of historical perspective and species
knowledge in particular.

Stepping back:

Since it is a named cultivar in the 1939, would it not be proper to
then just refer to it as DALMATICA?

On the other hand the pod parent of SAINT LAWRENCE (R. 1999) is listed
as I. pallida dalmatica

Granted what was done in the past is not necessarily correct, and I
need some help here. Would it be proper to write:Â
I. pallida 'Dalmatica'

If I may quote Sir Isaac Newton (to Hooke int 1676) "If I have seen
further it is by standing on ye shouldersÂof Giants."

or more appropriately for me: Â"If I am to see further, it will be by
standing on ye shoulders
of Giants."

Chuck, is there a specific citation that leads you to say "Not a
collected form. Identified in a garden.ÂAll current evidence indicates
that it is a garden clone and perhaps aÂhybrid." Â(just asking , not
challenging)Â

This of course on top of the who-hah I am looking at from someone
listingÂI. ochroleuca GiganteaÂas a pod parent. This declared as
"obsolete" in the '39, andÂI. ochroleucaÂnow considered to beÂI.
orientalisÂand Gigantea prpbably a garden name.

Who knew that being Registrar could be so much fun...

Thanks

John

On May 11, 2012, at 8:58 AM, c*@aol.com wrote:

John,
Â
In what context does this binomial as you are referencing it appear?
Or, in other words, may we know why you need this image, please?
Â
Typically, "dalmatica" is or has historically been associated with
various forms ofÂIris pallida.ÂI have not, myself, with my admittedly
limited frameÂof reference, ever run into a reference toÂI.
dalmaticaÂthat did not seem to be referring toÂI pallida.Â
Â
I am currently assembling research for a projuected paper on the
literary history of the name "Dalmatica" or "Pallida Dalmatica" or
"DalmatianÂIris" etc etc. I believe Âa good deal of patent nonsense has
been written about these ta xa and the horticultural history of the
species generally.
Â
The last word I had on the whole Pallida Dalmatica thing from Phil
Edinger was he had grown a passel of rhizomes from various sources
overÂthe years and they were all different while all appearing to be
pure pallida. He says there ain't no one 'Dalmatica.'
Â
If you need an image clearly identified as Pallida Dalmatica which is
roughly contemporary with the emergence of the AIS Check Lists,
publishedÂby someone who was in a position to know more or less what
was what at that time, and one which shows, and indeed remarks upon,
the theÂlilting falls which have become anecdotally associated with the
name, I have that thing.
Â
Do contact me privately if I can help you.
Â
AnnerÂ

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-----Original Message-----
From: John Jones <j*@usjoneses.com>
To: iris-species <i*@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, May 11, 2012 11:29 am
Subject: Re: [iris-species] I. dalmatica

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Anyone happen to have a picture ofÂI. dalmatica?

Thanks

John
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Registrar-Recorder
American Iris Society
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John and Joanne Jones
Registrar-Recorder
American Iris Society
35572 Linda Drive
Fremont, CA 94536
a*@irises.org

Randolf looked for it on Dalmatica coast unsuccessfully.

I have a couple of previous posts on this. Probably in Iris-talk, with
more detail that I can't recall off the top of my head.

It falls outside normal distribution curve (of I. pallida) on flower
size, leaf size and a couple of other features . Also has seeds that
are veriable in size and of small number, and different then I.
pallidia. All features suggestive ofa hybrid rather then a true
species.

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