Re: I. dalmatica

 

Well, chalk it up to my lack of historical perspective and species knowledge in particular.


Stepping back:

Since it is a named cultivar in the 1939, would it not be proper to then just refer to it as DALMATICA?

On the other hand the pod parent of SAINT LAWRENCE (R. 1999) is listed as I. pallida dalmatica

Granted what was done in the past is not necessarily correct, and I need some help here. Would it be proper to write: 
I. pallida 'Dalmatica'

If I may quote Sir Isaac Newton (to Hooke int 1676) "If I have seen further it is by standing on ye shoulders of Giants."

or more appropriately for me:  "If I am to see further, it will be by standing on ye shoulders
of Giants."

Chuck, is there a specific citation that leads you to say "Not a collected form. Identified in a garden. All current evidence indicates that it is a garden clone and perhaps a hybrid."  (just asking , not challenging) 


This of course on top of the ! who-hah I am looking at from someone listing I. ochroleuca Gigantea as a pod parent. This declared as "obsolete" in the '39, and I. ochroleuca now considered to be I. orientalis and Gigantea prpbably a garden name.


Who knew that being Registrar could be so much fun...

Thanks

John

On May 11, 2012, at 8:58 AM, c*@aol.com wrote:


John,
 
In what context does this binomial as you are referencing it appear? Or, in other words, may we know why you need this image, please?
 
Typically, "dalmatica" is or has historically been associated with various forms of Iris pallida. I have not, myself, with my admittedly limited frame of reference, ever run into a reference to I. dalmatica that did not seem to be referring to I pallida. 
 
I am currently assembling research for a projuected paper on the literary history of the name "Dalmatica" or "Pallida Dalmatica" or "Dalmatian Iris" etc etc. I believe  a good deal of patent nonsense has been written about these taxa and the horticultural history of the species generally.!
 
The last word I had on the whole Pallida Dalmatica thing ! from Phil Edinger was he had grown a passel of rhizomes from various sources over the years and they were all different while all appearing to be pure pallida. He says there ain't no one 'Dalmatica.'
 
If you need an image clearly identified as Pallida Dalmatica which is roughly contemporary with the emergence of the AIS Check Lists, published by someone who was in a position to know more or less what was what at that time, and one which shows, and indeed remarks upon, the the lilting falls which have become anecdotally associated with the name, I have that thing.
 
Do contact me privately if I can help you.
 
Anner 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: John Jones <j*@usjoneses.com>
To: iris-species <i*@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, May 11, 2012 11:29 am
Subject: Re: [iris-species]! I. dalmatica

 
Anyone happen to have a picture of I. dalmatica?

Thanks

John
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American Iris Society
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