Well, chalk it up to my lack of historical perspective and species
knowledge in particular.
Stepping back:
Since it is a named cultivar in the 1939, would it not be proper to then
just refer to it as DALMATICA?
On the other hand the pod parent of SAINT LAWRENCE (R. 1999) is listed as
I. pallida dalmatica
Granted what was done in the past is not necessarily correct, and I need
some help here. Would it be proper to write:
I. pallida 'Dalmatica'
If I may quote Sir Isaac Newton (to Hooke int 1676) "If I have
seen further it is by standing on ye shoulders of
Giants."
or more appropriately for me: "If I am to see further, it will
be by standing on ye shoulders
of Giants."
Chuck, is there a specific citation that leads you to say "Not a
collected form. Identified in a garden. All
current evidence indicates that it is a garden clone and perhaps a hybrid."
(just asking , not challenging)
This of course on
top of the who-hah I am looking at from someone listing I. ochroleuca Gigantea as a pod
parent. This declared as "obsolete" in the '39, and I.
ochroleuca now considered to be I. orientalis and
Gigantea prpbably a garden name.
Who knew that being Registrar could be so much
fun...
Thanks
John
On May 11, 2012, at 8:58 AM, c*@aol.com wrote:
John,
In what context does this
binomial as you are referencing it appear? Or, in other words, may we know
why you need this image, please?
Typically, "dalmatica" is or
has historically been associated with various forms of Iris
pallida. I have not, myself, with my admittedly limited frame of
reference, ever run into a reference to I. dalmatica that did not
seem to be referring to I pallida.
I am currently
assembling research for a projuected paper on the literary history of the
name "Dalmatica" or "Pallida Dalmatica" or "Dalmatian Iris" etc etc. I
believe a good deal of patent nonsense has been written about these
taxa and the horticultural history of the species
generally.
The last word I had on the whole Pallida Dalmatica
thing from Phil Edinger was he had grown a passel of rhizomes from various
sources over the years and they were all different while all appearing
to be pure pallida. He says there ain't no one 'Dalmatica.'
If
you need an image clearly identified as Pallida Dalmatica which is roughly
contemporary with the emergence of the AIS Check Lists, published by
someone who was in a position to know more or less what was what at that
time, and one which shows, and indeed remarks upon, the the lilting
falls which have become anecdotally associated with the name, I have that
thing.
Do contact me privately if I can help
you.
Anner
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From: John Jones <j*@usjoneses.com>
To:
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Sent:
Fri, May 11, 2012 11:29 am
Subject: Re: [iris-species] I.
dalmatica
Anyone happen to have a picture of I.
dalmatica?
Thanks
John
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