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RE: SV: RE: SPEC-X rebloomer

 

Personally, I like these "species" looking Irises (and most of the true wild species) much more than all the ruffly fluffly hybrid tall bearded Iris that are favored by most, and in fact I like them better than most other classes of Iris cultivars (of course that is why I belong to this forum as well!).  Iris aphylla has a charm and appeal all it's own, and your hybrid appears to retain that well.  The fact that it repeats is a plus to anyone who likes growing I. aphylla, and I would certainly grow it just to have some of that sort of flower in my garden late in the season.  I like the color too, it appears to be a nice intense hue that would stand out in most any (small scale) garden.


I would tend to think you're on to something with this one, and if there were more people like me, it might even be a good seller (now you just need them in some other colors!!  :0).

And, I would second opinions that you may yet get some offspring from it.  Sometimes these "imballanced" chromosome sets have a way of sorting themselves out in some of the gametes.  Getting that piece of the set of 8 that causes the rebloom into the offspring is perhaps one of the main goals though (?).

Dave Ferguson
in New Mexico

To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
From: Hoepfner@privat.dk
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:02:58 +0100
Subject: SV: [iris-species] RE: SPEC-X rebloomer

 

HIP HIP HURRA, just to show you that I agree!!

 

Med venlig hilsen / Kind regards

 

Lars HÃpfner

Langengen 38, Svogerslev

4000  Roskilde

Denmark

 

Fra: iris-species@yahoogroups.com [mailto:iris-species@yahoogroups.com] PÃ vegne af Robert Pries
Sendt: 23. november 2010 19:43
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Emne: Re: [iris-species] RE: SPEC-X rebloomer

 

 

Chuck: I would encourage you to register and distribute this plant. I consider the SPEC-X class as an experimental class that can foster new developments. Just as not every TB that is registered wins an award, I suspect this plant would not either. It is too similar to Iris aphylla. But its reblooming trait is very interesting. Early Ibs which probably have a similar genetic make up were infertile also. But amazingly fertility sometimes develops over time, perhaps because of errors in mitosis. It is a plant I would like to play with and so I am in favor of its introduction. I think how one thinks about this plant depends a lot on ones mindset. It certainly looks like aphylla. If one likes the idea of an aphylla that continues to bloom all growing season than I think I think one would be happy with this plant. If one is expecting a WOW plant that would win lots of awards and be unique than I would tell someone to look elsewhere. But then again does every plant that is introduced have to be a potential Medal winner? Are we to be deprived of plants that are intellectually interesting just because someone does not think them special? I reiterate that The Iris Society is both for average gardeners and elitists.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Chapman" <irischapman@aim.com>
To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:48:15 PM
Subject: [iris-species] RE: SPEC-X rebloomer

 

I'm calling this seedling a Spec-X as it is a cross between Forever Blue  (SDB) and a species aphylla.  A bee pod, but aphylla  nature of pollen parent is rather obvious. In addition to branching and apearance, is the fact that foliage goes dormant like aphylla  in fall. A number of aphylla species were in next row to Forever Blue. If I  had to guess, it would be aphylla Hungary for first choice.

Flower stalks  between 12-18" and flower count of 8-12 per stalk.  Reblooms all summer long. Each stalk blooms for nearly four weeks.  Stalks in clump  are sequential, so thus lomg bloom time.  Pretty much an everbloomer based on how it performs.

It apears to be sterile. Likely because of an imbalanced 8/12/12/12  chromosome set. Will try differrent  types of parents to see if any seeds can be set. But no bee pods, which is a bad sign with  something of this size with so many flowers.

Chuck Chapman

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: El Hutchison <eleanore@mymts.net>
To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 12:25 pm
Subject: RE: [iris-species] SPEC-X

 

Chuck, can you send us a couple of pictures, please.
 
Dennis, I humbly submit that you're not just an ordinary gardener.  :)
 
El
 

To: i*@yahoogroups.com
From: d*@badbear.com
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:53:37 -0500
Subject: Re: [iris-species] SPEC-X

 

nope.  i'm not a judge.  i'm just a gardener.  i've never understood (nor cared enough to learn) the rules of classifying bearded irises.  so such dilemmas just seem silly to me.  (if it is 1 inch too short or if the flower is too large, or whatever)

and if indeed the rules are so strict that they hinder development of wonderful seedlings like the one you described, then i have even less interest in those rules than before!

sorry... it's far from an intelligent or helpful answer.  but all i can do is reiterate my viewpoint that as a gardener, to me, i would not be able to see a big difference between your hybrid and another SDB or IB.  and so i struggle to accept it as a SPEC-X.

i suppose that's what happens when non-show people like me are utilizing show terminology.  so i guess i've learned a lesson from today's conversation.  that if i don't care enough to learn about bearded classifications, then maybe i sh ouldn't be so opinionated about the SPEC-X category either (even though it's totally my favorite).  i humbly apologize.  :-)

Dennis in Cincinnati


On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Chuck Chapman <i*@aim.com> wrote:

 

I have a seedling, that is a cross of an SDB  x  aphylla.
As SDB it is often too tall, as IB is often too short
Any suggestions as to how to classify it, if not Spec-X

Chuck Chapman

 

 


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