Re: Iris 'Colchesterensis'

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Apparently it was listed in Journal Royal Horticultural Society in Dec 1911 37:632 as Albopurpurea colchesterensis. And in checklist it also has listing  with spelling
Albopurpurea Colchesterense with Colchesterensis as alternative name.  Apparently Wallace listed it as Albopurputrea colchesterense in his catalogue.

Listing in 1939 checklist has listing of Albopurpurea colchesterensis right after the Albopurpurea Colchesterense listing, with the J.R.H.S. reference.

So  it would appear that listing in 1939 checklist is using the earliest used spelling from the J.R.H.S. in 1911, and not the later listed spelling.

But definitely  Colchesterensis (or Colchesterense if you prefer)  should be taken as correct name, matching published picture, and not "  Albopurpurea Monstrosa"


Thanks for your input.

Chuck Chapman

 

Well, as I have said elsewhere, I personally find it well to do a little thinking for myself when it comes to relying on the AIS 1939 Check List.

 

Iris 'Albopupurea', described as a Laevigata, is found on page 88. At the top of the following page is Iris "Albopupurea Colchesterense." which is said to be a synonym of the approved name, Iris 'Colchesterensis,' the entry for which is found on page 170.

 

However, here is the article which goes with the picture I posted to show the white rims on the falls. It tells the history of the plant and its name.

 

http://www.archive.org/stream/gardenillustrate7511lond#page/226/mode/2up 

 

I don't have a 1910-11 or earlier Wallace catalog here to confirm the spelling as given, but, until proven otherwise, in my mind this trumps the 1939 Check List.

 

Your mileage may vary; however, if you want to defer to the 39CL, the correct name of the plant apparently is Iris 'Colchesternesis."

 

AMW

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Thanks for the picture.

I've checked registrations. This was listed in 1939 checklist as Colchesterensis.

Mostraosa is listed in 1939 checklist as  being a TB

There isn't any listing  for Albopururea Monstrosa in registration database.

'Monstrosa'  series Laevigatea was listed in BIS yearbook 1985 pg 64.

Albopurpurea monsrosa  was listed in Laurie's Garden catalog 1992. Pictures  of the two forms in Laurie's web site show  Colchesterensis. as being very dark and no margin. The photo of Monsrosa match  the picture of the double I posted, but also matches the original picture in The Garden .

So  as far as official data and original registration  the picture I posted should be  Colchesterensis.

There doesn't appear to be any official Monstrosa" or "Albopurpurea Monstosa"

For sources I used SIGNA Checklist

Chuck Chapman

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'Albopurpurea Colchesterense,' named and introduced by Wallace in 1911, is seen in this original illustration from The Garden.

 

See attached.

 

Cordially,

 

AMW

 

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It would appear to be Albopurpurea Monstrosa. The other choice, Albopurpurea Colchesterensis  is much darker and doesn't have the white edge on falls.

Chuck Chapman

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OK, with picture this time.

Chuck Chapman

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Dose anyone know name of this iris?

Taken in Florence Iris Trial garden.

Chuck Chapman