As I said, I don't have a catalog of that vintage to confirm the spelling actually used by Wallace when he introduced it, naming it for the location of his nursery in Colchester, but I think that even if his Latin is flawed--is that the issue? ---his preferred name should prevail.
AMW
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From: Chuck Chapman <irischapman@aim.com>
To: iris-species <iris-species@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2011 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Iris 'Colchesterensis'
Apparently it was listed in Journal Royal Horticultural Society in Dec 1911 37:632 as Albopurpurea colchesterensis. And in checklist it also has listing with spelling
Albopurpurea Colchesterense with
Colchesterensis as alternative name. Apparently Wallace listed it as
Albopurputrea colchesterense in his catalogue.
Listing in 1939 checklist has listing of
Albopurpurea colchesterensis right after the Albopurpurea Colchesterense listing, with the J.R.H.S. reference.
So it would appear that listing in 1939 checklist is using the earliest used spelling from the J.R.H.S. in 1911, and not the later listed spelling.
But definitely Colchesterensis (or Colchesterense if you prefer) should be taken as correct name, matching published picture, and not "
Albopurpurea Monstrosa"
Thanks for your input.
Chuck Chapman
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From: ChatOWhitehall <C*@aol.com>
To: iris-species <i*@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2011 10:15 am
Subject: [iris-species] Iris 'Colchesterensis'
Well, as I have said elsewhere, I personally find it well to do a little thinking for myself when it comes to relying on the AIS 1939 Check List.
Iris 'Albopupurea', described as a Laevigata, is found on page 88. At the top of the following page is Iris "Albopupurea Colchesterense." which is said to be a synonym of the approved name, Iris 'Colchesterensis,' the entry for which is found on page 170.
However, here is the article which goes with the picture I posted to show the white rims on the falls. It tells the history of the plant and its name.
I don't have a 1910-11 or earlier Wallace catalog here to confirm the spelling as given, but, until proven otherwise, in my mind this trumps the 1939 Check List.
Your mileage may vary; however, if you want to defer to the 39CL, the correct name of the plant apparently is Iris 'Colchesternesis."
AMW
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Chapman <i*@aim.com>
To: iris-species <i*@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2011 9:03 am
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Re:Double
Thanks for the picture.
I've checked registrations. This was listed in 1939 checklist as Colchesterensis.
Mostraosa is listed in 1939 checklist as being a TB
There isn't any listing for Albopururea Monstrosa in registration database.
'Monstrosa' series Laevigatea was listed in BIS yearbook 1985 pg 64.
Albopurpurea monsrosa was listed in Laurie's Garden catalog 1992. Pictures of the two forms in Laurie's web site show Colchesterensis. as being very dark and no margin. The photo of Monsrosa match the picture of the double I posted, but also matches the original picture in
The Garden .
So as far as official data and original registration the picture I posted should be
Colchesterensis.
There doesn't appear to be any official Monstrosa" or "Albopurpurea Monstosa"
For sources I used SIGNA Checklist
Chuck Chapman
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From: ChatOWhitehall <C*@aol.com>
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Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Re:Double
'Albopurpurea Colchesterense,' named and introduced by Wallace in 1911, is seen in this original illustration from The Garden.
See attached.
Cordially,
AMW
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From: Chuck Chapman <i*@aim.com>
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Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Re:Double
It would appear to be Albopurpurea Monstrosa. The other choice, Albopurpurea Colchesterensis is much darker and doesn't have the white edge on falls.
Chuck Chapman
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From: Chuck Chapman <i*@aim.com>
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Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 9:51 am
Subject: Re: [iris-species] Re:Double
OK, with picture this time.
Chuck Chapman
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From: Chuck Chapman <i*@aim.com>
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Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 9:49 am
Subject: [iris-species] Re:Double
Dose anyone know name of this iris?
Taken in Florence Iris Trial garden.
Chuck Chapman
