Re: 'Swerti' spelling

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Interesting! As latin was typically used, one would expect it to take precedence over other descriptions, which may be only locally understood. Of course, there was that great confusion created by a certain German author that insisted on keeping his library closed away until after his death, leading to a great deal of synonomy. Perhaps this pushed the issue. Frankly, I find latin no more usefull than English, German, French, et al, as it is non-living and despite this fact, still 'evolving'!

Jamie

Am 23.10.2011 18:40, schrieb C*@aol.com:

I believe a Latin diagnosis has only been required since early 1935.

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Subject: Re: [iris-species] 'Swerti' spelling

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Tom,

in general, if a latin description of the plant exists, then this spelling would be accepted as correct (precedence), regardless of 'correctness' or not. If there is no formal description available, which would mean it was never properly published or since lost, then there is no precedence! As the spelling of his name is apparently incorrect, having spellt it with two 'e's, although the word, which is Dutch, is spelt in general with but one 'e', (swert) and means sword. This could be the source of the original (mis)spelling.

As to the two 'i's, this was traditional for honourifics, but, as I understand the newest rules of nomencalture, this must not be so. A single 'i' would suffice (or 'ae' for the feminine). It gets confusing as, in most European countries, the double 'i' is pronounced ee-ee, not ee-eye, as in English. A single 'i' would remain ee. In the end, I find understanding each other of greater importance, although it is too late for most spellings, as the first published takes precedence.

of course, most literature seems to list I. swertii as a synonym of an I. pallida. Kind of makes the question moot. Unless it can be defined as a specific clone. Then we can start from square one.

Are we confused, yet? Fortunately, I do not grow the plant!

Jamie

Am 23.10.2011 16:45, schrieb Tom Waters:

Hello all,

A question for those into bearded species and historics. The cultivar 'Swerti' or 'Swertii' - which is the preferred spelling? My understanding of the conventions of Latinizing non-Latin names says it should be 'Swertii', but perhaps there is a tradition of usage behind the other spelling, which seems quite prevalent. Do earliest references favor one over the other? Any comments welcome.

Thanks, Tom



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