Re: iris DIGEST V1 #534

Hi. First time I have replied, so not sure if I am doing it correctly. I have had some success with bloomout with not cutting the spike - leave it on until it drops of, has saved some. Dian Mitterer, Gawler East, South Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "iris DIGEST" <iris-owner@hort.net> 
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Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:15 AM
Subject: [iris] iris DIGEST V1 #534
iris DIGEST Thursday, April 3 2008 Volume 01 : Number 534 



In this issue:

       Re: [iris] FW: TB:  Ruffles on stigmatic lip
       Re: [iris] CULT:General
       [iris] HYB: Bloomout (wasTB: Ruffles on stigmatic lip)
       Re: [iris] HYB: Bloomout (wasTB: Ruffles on stigmatic lip)

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:04:20 -0500
From: "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [iris] FW: TB:  Ruffles on stigmatic lip
Francelle -- If I understand what you're describing, you have three clumps 
of the seedling you like best, and in each clump the mother rhizome
has made two to four increases, but each increase consists of a single bloom stalk. You also have a sibling that you fear is going to do the same thing. 

Since you have more than one rhizome of your seedling, you might want to
take one of those rhizomes, even before it blooms, and cut it into a few
pieces about an inch thick and plant them a couple of inches deep in good
ground. At this stage, there probably won't be any indicators of new growth 
on the rhizome, so there won't be anything to guide where to cut, but,
hopefully, there may be enough vigor in the pieces to cause some of them to sprout. Make sure that the bed where you plant them gets sufficient water. 
That's about all I can recommend.  --  Griff
- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francelle" <fjmjedwards@qwest.net> 
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:22 AM
Subject: [iris] FW: TB: Ruffles on stigmatic lip



-----Original Message-----
From: Francelle [f*@qwest.net]
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 1:57 PM
To: 'iris@hort.net'
Subject: TB: Ruffles on stigmatic lip



While doing my pollen daubing this morning, I saw something I had never
seen
before.  The iris seedling I was pollinating is extremely ruffled and
laced.
Even the stigmatic lip has a ruffle sticking out from it.  I am trying
hard
to set a pod on it, because it is one of the most beautiful irises I have
ever seen, and as is my luck when I get a really gorgeous seedling, I will probably lose it to bloom out. I have been told that if you can set a pod 
on a stalk that is blooming out, that will stimulate it into multiplying.
I
will try anything to try to save this one.  The pod parent was a bright
orchid seedling of mine from Pond Lily X Twice Thrilling.  The pollen
parent
is Louisa's Song.  Both Pond Lily and Louisa's Song are good growers for
me
and so was the seedling.  Twice Thrilling always tried to bloom out and
finally succeeded.  I am wondering if this a genetic trait handed down
from
that grandparent.

Last year I lined out three siblings from that cross that had Louisa's
Song's form.  I have three clumps of this one in which the mother rhizome
has made two to four increases, but every one is sending up a big bloom
stalk with no further increases showing.  The second of the siblings is
also
going to bloom too heavily.  The first, which was my favorite last year,
will have at least two increases that don't seem to about to bloom.
Beautiful as these are, I don't like irises that have suicidal tendencies. 
They are heartbreakers.

I would put a picture of that ruffled stigmatic lip on Iris-Photos, but
I'm
not sacrificing any of those blossoms for a picture. They are all getting 
crossed with Cloud Refection and 57-66 A.  Both of these are very strong
growers with good stalks.  57-66 A has the almost identical orchid color.
It could use some extra size, ruffles and lace.

Just musings of a pollen dauber. :-)





Francelle Edwards  Glendale, AZ  Zone 9



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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:44:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: christian foster <flatnflashy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [iris] CULT:General

Betty,
I think I'll be seeing "enough" bloom- enough to make a few crosses without being so much that anyone has to go neglected while I try to catch photos. I don't think very many of my clumps look "big" enough to bloom, not even the established named cultivars. I haven't done a head count yet...but I have lost a few seedlings.
I thought I smelled a bit of frost the other day... but then as you said, it was quite cold last night. I still think there's a cold snap lurking. 

 Christian

autmirislvr@aol.com wrote:
 Hi All,
It looks like this iris season will be about as "normal" as iris season can?get, baring a late season.? Many of the daffodils are finished blooming and the forsythia are in full bloom along with Bartlett pears and other ornamental trees!? Temperature was right at freezing last night.? Our average last freeze is April 19.?
The really good news is that I've not found any stalks in the TB's.? Just an appearance of swelling in a few.?
On to the question . . . can we expect normal bloom???? Opinions?? Speculation??
I've had no iris experience with a drought of last year's magnitude.? Especially with the accompanying high temperatures.? Most of my irises went into self preservation mode last year by dropping their fans.? Overall loss of cultivars was minimal.? What can we expect as long term effects?? Will there be lingering distortions??My concern is for the 2nd year seedlings.? The ones that should have?bloomed last year.??
The drought has been broken for my area.? We are OVER the average on rain for this year.? Rains due in the next couple of days are expected to be a flooding problem with the ground already saturated.?? 


Betty W./South Central KY? zone 6
Bridge In Time?Iris?Garden?





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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 05:27:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: thomas silvers <tesilvers@yahoo.com>
Subject: [iris] HYB: Bloomout (wasTB: Ruffles on stigmatic lip)

Francelle wrote:
"and as is my luck when I get a really gorgeous
seedling, I will probably lose it to bloom out.  I
have been told that if you can set a pod on a stalk
that is blooming out, that will stimulate it into
multiplying. I will try anything to try to save this
one."

Hello Francelle,
Last summer, I had a first bloom tectorum X bearded
seedling that "bloomed out". Of course it was the
seedling that I had most interest in! Even though
these are typically sterile, I did manage to get a
single seed from one of the blooms. I'm not getting my
hopes up too much about that, but what does give me
hope... is that there are still three firm pieces of
rhizome showing at the soil surface. There hasn't been
any green on them at all since the bloomstalks and
their fans died back. There had been three fans with
three bloomstalks. I cut two of these bloomstalks
back, hoping to stimulate some increases to form. That
doesn't seem to have made any difference, because even
the fan that I left alone still has a firm rhizome.
I guess my point is... that it might not make any
difference in the end, but my seedling is not yet dead
[just no green] and if your seedling's good enough, it
wouldn't hurt to mark the spot and wait to see if it
might someday get the urge to grow again. That's what
I'm doing.
Good luck, Tom



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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:30:26 -0400
From: autmirislvr@aol.com
Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: Bloomout (wasTB: Ruffles on stigmatic lip)
Tom, I'd wondered if this would help.? It's something I've not?tried.? Keep us posted as to the result.? There's hope until the rhizomes rot.? 


I cut two of these bloomstalks
back, hoping to stimulate some increases to form.

Betty W/KY/zone 6


- -----Original Message-----
From: thomas silvers <tesilvers@yahoo.com>
To: iris-talk <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 7:27 am
Subject: [iris] HYB: Bloomout (wasTB: Ruffles on stigmatic lip)



Francelle wrote:
"and as is my luck when I get a really gorgeous
seedling, I will probably lose it to bloom out.  I
have been told that if you can set a pod on a stalk
that is blooming out, that will stimulate it into
multiplying. I will try anything to try to save this
one."

Hello Francelle,
Last summer, I had a first bloom tectorum X bearded
seedling that "bloomed out". Of course it was the
seedling that I had most interest in! Even though
these are typically sterile, I did manage to get a
single seed from one of the blooms. I'm not getting my
hopes up too much about that, but what does give me
hope... is that there are still three firm pieces of
rhizome showing at the soil surface. There hasn't been
any green on them at all since the bloomstalks and
their fans died back. There had been three fans with
three bloomstalks. I cut two of these bloomstalks
back, hoping to stimulate some increases to form. That
doesn't seem to have made any difference, because even
the fan that I left alone still has a firm rhizome.
I guess my point is... that it might not make any
difference in the end, but my seedling is not yet dead
[just no green] and if your seedling's good enough, it
wouldn't hurt to mark the spot and wait to see if it
might someday get the urge to grow again. That's what
I'm doing.
Good luck, Tom



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