Re: AIS:Symposium/Soap box #9/Gerry Snyder

Gerry you snipped out the entire paragraph which the "why is the obvious so
easily ignored?" comment referred to.

missing paragraph:  "With a system in place that allows one of 24 regions to
have such a high
percentage (9.3%) of total membership and another region to have such a low
percentage (0.04%) of total membership, then you can easily see how flawed
the
current Region distribution system is.  Imagine if the Regional membership
statistics affect a popularity poll in such a manner, how they are affecting
so many other facets of AIS?"

However in reference to you question about giving Region 10 cultivars 20
times the vote power...I did not state clearly what I meant.  If cultivar
AAA won in Region 10 then it would simply be the Region 10 winner.  If
cultivar AAA also won in 7 other Regions then it would get a total of 8
regional wins.  If no other cultivar is on top of the list in as many other
regions, then Cultivar AAA is delcared the national winner.  However,
cultivar AAA may only perform well in Region 10 and no one else votes for it
anywhere else.  In that case it is a great iris for people in Region 10 and
recognized as such.

I really do not support combining regional totals in a national survey.  I
only want to emphasize (nationally) the cultivars that come out on top in
multiple regions.  The power of the popularity poll is in the regions.

I apologize for not being clear.

Cheers,

Iris Moose

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerry Snyder" <gerrysnyder@attbi.com>
To: <iris-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [iris-talk] AIS:Symposium/Soap box #9/Gerry Snyder


> Iris Moose wrote:
> >
> >
> > Region 14 has 616 members or roughly 9.3% of the North American AIS
> > membership.  Region 10 has 31 members or 0.04% of the North American AIS
> > membership. This information is based on the AIS membership as of June
30,
> > 2002.  Even if 100% of Region 10 voted for the same cultivar it would
not be
> > as popular at the 10th most popular cultivar in Region 14 based on
actual
> > votes instead of percent of votes.
> >
> > This is a clear example of why the smaller regions and small hybridizers
> > will never have equal or even fair consideration under the current
system.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Why is the obvious so easily ignored?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Iris Moose
>
> Perhaps because what seem obvious to one irisarian of good will may seem
> frightfully unfair to another.
>
> Why should the vote of someone in Region 10 count 20 times as much as
> the vote of someone in Region 14? The division of the US into regions is
> (at least somewhat) arbitrary, and is subject to change. Are you really
> saying that the winner in an iris vote should change if the regions get
> realigned?
>
> Your argument is not totally without merit, but picking the national
> winner based on regional rankings rather than total vote would give a
> small hybridizer in Region 10 a huge advantage over a small hybridizer
> in Region 14, and fail to achieve some of your goals.
>
> This things are not so simple.
>
> Any way of combining regional subtotals has problems, and is of somewhat
> limited meaning. As I have said before, as a guide to buying, the
> regional results are much more meaningful than the national ones. The
> buyer still needs to be aware that these things are a mish-mash of great
> growers and super beauties (and ...), but regional rankings mean a lot
> more than the totals.
>
>
> --
> g*@attbi.com
> Gerry Snyder, AIS Symposium Chair and Director, Region 15 RVP
> in warm, winterless Los Angeles--zone 9b-ish, Sunset 18-19
>
>
>
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