Re: MTB vs. BB

The two flatties in the list look to me like possible sports of perhaps some
other diploid that should be (or might already be) on the list.  Sometimes
some of the other "normal" cultivars make the occasional flattie or near
flattie flower (i.e. Loreley, & Edina).  Even if the two are not sports of
something else, they are of this group.  I suppose they could also go into a
class for "Flatties", but they don't look much like the majority of the TB
flatties.  By the way, of all the flatties I've seen, these are the best ones
(I'm sooo predictable sometimes).

I think 'Clematis' might belong on the list too, but I haven't seen it flower
yet, and it might be a pallida (anyone know?).

Thanks Neil for your comments too, it is an interesting perspective on the
question. 'No-we-ta' and 'Pink Ruffles' are new acquisitions for me, and I
haven't seen them flower yet.  From photos I couldn't tell if they might be
pure I. pallida, or more like those on my list.  I'm not sure if 'Shekinah' is
a diploid or not, but leaving it (and probably a whole bunch of others) off
the list was an oversight on my part.  I've also wondered about 'Sindjhka',
which I saw for the first time last year as a NOID on Assatique in Virginia,
and even got a nice start of.  Since then I had a purchased 'Sindjhka' produce
flowers at the same time as my Assatique plant, and the two were identical
(they are now next to one another and almost merged as one large clump).  I
thought at the time that it resembled 'Sambucina' somewhat; however, after
growing it a while I think it could be a tetraploid "shortish" TB, but I
really don't know.  I don't know 'Eros' at all, but it sounds interesting.

As a sort of ironic coincidence, I was looking through my ROOTS back issues
(still haven't gotten through them all, I received them all in June - great
stuff!), and in the vol. 9(1), spring 1996 issue, on pages 9 & 10 is an
article by Cameron Hall, Jean Witt, & Phil Edinger that is very nearly related
to the list I posted earlier.  There is a list there too, and their solution
was to call all the diploids that don't fit into the MTB or the TB categories
as Border Bearded.  To me this is not an ideal solution, as it muddles both
the distinction of the diploids and the definition of a Border Bearded Iris.
It is a great list though, as it lists many old median Iris and sorts them
quite nicely into categories.  It does put a few into the MTB class that I
think are too robust, such as 'Honorabile' and its sports.


Dave

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