Re: MTB vs. BB - flatties & sports

Now your getting into details that I don't know.  But, they're good
questions.  I don't know the flat 'Raspberry Wine', so don't know the
situation at all.

Unless such flatties are stable and can be reliably propagated, I don't
think they'd quite make it to full sport status (fully sporting sports?).

I think in the case of 'Loreley' that the occasional flatty or near flatty
is just characteristic of the cultivar.  There are pictures of almost flat
'Loreley's' all over the place.  It seems sometimes that 'Loreley' makes
more freaky flowers than normal flowers.  I'm not sure if 'Loreley' was
always this way, since there are old photos of huge beds of 'Loreley' with
hundreds of flowers open, all of them nicely symmetrical and normal.

In 'Edina's case, I think the odd-ball flowers are less common and perhaps
not quite so "normal".   My 'Edina' makes almost entirely normal flowers,
with the freaky ones actually relatively uncommon.

I'm not aware of a stable flattie derived from 'Loreley', but there might
be one derived from 'Edina'.   I think there is an article about this, with
photos, as "Jean Witt's Antique Flatty" under the "Unknowns galore" section
on the HIPS web site.

By the way, a large percentage of people's unidentified Iris (including
several shown on the HIPS web site) are of the sort that would be included
in the list I sent in the other day near the beginning of this thread.

Dave

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