OT: (alfalfa/corn)

Hi everyone,
As a nutritional veterinarian I had to respond to a comment by Dave about
feeding his "carnivorous" dog.  Dogs are NOT carnivores.  Like us humans,
they are omnivores-they eat plants as well as meats.  Felines and Killer
whales are the only true carnivores. ( they have to get their amnoacids from
a protein source).  This is why it is NOT bad for your dog foods to have
corn/corn meal as first ingredient.  Even though a lot of dog food companies
like to put different "spins" on things.  Now that you all know more about
dog food than you ever wanted to know, I'll stop.  thanks you for allowing
me to clarify.
Lynn
Zone 5-WI
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> iris DIGEST          Friday, August 27 2004          Volume 01 : Number
085
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
>         Re: [iris] Re: HIST: ID-ing unknowns
>         Re: [iris] RE: Fertilizer
>         Re: [iris] Re:  ID'ing unknowns (historics)
>         RE: [iris] disease prevention summary for hypochlorite
>         Re: [iris] OT-HUMOR:Re: [iris-photos] Bleach water and Thistle tea
>         Re: [iris] Cult: Re: [iris-photos] Bleach water and bacteria
>         RE: [iris] RE: Fertilizer
>         [iris] Subscribing?
>         Re: [iris] Subscribing?
>         Re: [iris] OT-HUMOR:Re: [iris-photos] Bleach water and Thistle tea
>         [iris] Re: OT-PLANTS: Niger thistle
>         RE: [iris] RE: Fertilizer
>         [iris] Bleach water and Thistle tea (birds)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:07:31 -0600
> From: DFerguson@cabq.gov
> Subject: Re: [iris] Re: HIST: ID-ing unknowns
>
> Just a quick thought regarding Shreiner's Irises.  They've been
documenting
> their cultivars with photos since early on.  Seems to me that they would
> have all those records and photos with dates of when the various cultivars
> were sold, etc.  I'm sure if I was in their place, I would want to be
> over-run with random requests for identifications; however, I know I would
> have all the records too.  It seems that if one is reasonably sure the
Iris
> came from Shreiner's, they might be able to help identify it?
>
>
> Dave
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:41:16 -0700
> From: "Lobergs" <loberg@adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: [iris] RE: Fertilizer
>
> For twelve years I ran a rabbitry and have used a number of rabbit feeds
> (which alfalfa is the primary ingredient), and I don't ever recall seeing
> whole corn kernels or even partially whole kernels in them. You can buy
the
> small bags (1#, 2#) in a pet store which contains extra grain seeds for
> 'treats', but that's not the normal feed store kind. Purina makes a
compressed
> pellet rabbit feed, and I preferred a brand which had smaller pellets
which
> were actually smaller than the size of a corn pellet. The thing I choose
for
> high quality rabbit feed included trace minerals, trace salt, and other
> nutrients for optimum growth, which may not be desirable for fertilizer.
Most
> of the time the compressed alfalfa used for horses cubed alfalfa and it's
all
> alfalfa, and horse feed like "cob" definitely includes whole corn kernels.
> Best thing to do would be to call your local feed store and ask what they
have
> for compressed alfalfa pellets, and if you can get them without other
> ingredients.
> Kitty
> Northern Calif.
> > Rabbit pellets have corn, etc. In them and the horse pellets do not
making
> > the horse pellets straight fertilizer and the rabbit pellets will have
corn
> > growing around your iris.
> >
> > Vernon G. Brown
> > Malevil Iris Gardens
> > Region 17 - USDA 7
> > AIS,ASI,MIS,RIS,SPIS,TBIS
> > Lubbock, Texas 79403
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-iris@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On Behalf Of Char
> > Holte
> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:43 AM
> > To: iris@hort.net
> > Subject: [iris] RE: Fertilizer
> >
> > BlankHi,
> >
> > There was a big discussion on different types of Fertilizer.  Including
> > rabbit
> > pellets.  Anyone remember the reference?
> >
> > Thanks, Char, New Berlin, WI
> >
> > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name
of
> > Blank Bkgrd.gif]
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:43:36 -0600
> From: DFerguson@cabq.gov
> Subject: Re: [iris] Re:  ID'ing unknowns (historics)
>
> I had mentioned HIPS and the Iris Photos group archives as good for photos
> of Historic Iris, but neglected to mention Superstition Iris Gardens' web
> site.  They have quite a lot of photos of plants that I've never seen
> anywhere else, and the quility is good.
>
> The home page link is:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/rickt103
>
> The link for the first page of Historics is:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/119364712BMqeMl
>
> Several nurseries with web sites or photo catalogs have photos of at least
> a few oldies available to view.  One that comes to mind with a fair
> selection is Argyle Acres, but there are several others.
>
> Argyle Acres' home page is at:
>
> http://www.argyleacres.com
>
> The link to their index of Historics is:
>
> http://www.argyleacres.com/gallery/view_list_historic.asp?historic_z=yes
>
>
>
> Dave
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:53:24 -0600
> From: DFerguson@cabq.gov
> Subject: RE: [iris] disease prevention summary for hypochlorite
>
> Seems there was a question here about prevention versus cure.
>
> I don't know a 100% prevention for soft rot (if I did, I would never have
> problems).  I would love to hear more suggestions along these lines (such
> as soil treatments that might kill the pathogen in the soil).
>
> As for the bleach, think of it as a disinfectant that will kill existing
> pathogens.  It will not do any good against new introductions and
> infections of disease once it is gone.  I suspect that you could use
bleach
> as a preventative by constant low level application (as in a swimming
> pool), but I also suspect that not even Iris would be too happy about the
> constant presence of such compounds.  They are resistant to it in brief
> dosages, but it is toxic.
>
> Just imagine the difference between putting a little dilute peroxide or
> bleach on a cut one time to sterilize it versus swimming in it all the
> time.
>
>
> Dave
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:06:12 -0600
> From: DFerguson@cabq.gov
> Subject: Re: [iris] OT-HUMOR:Re: [iris-photos] Bleach water and Thistle
tea
>
> Thistles are great for butterflies too (so are real Artichokes).  Don't
> like them in the Iris garden though.  The native ones (here) get leggy and
> flop all over the Irises, and the introduced weedy ones take over and you
> have to dig the Irises to get the Thistles out.
>
> Dave
> New Mexico.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:38:16 -0600
> From: DFerguson@cabq.gov
> Subject: Re: [iris] Cult: Re: [iris-photos] Bleach water and bacteria
>
> As a preventative treatment when repotting, and for treating infections, I
> used to use Banrot (is it still available?) for some diseases, and
> Benlate/Benamyl for others.  They both worked moderately well, and had a
> bit of staying power (a week or two), but for Iris and Cacti, chlorine
> bleach is WAY better as a cure.  Never had much luck with alcohol for
> curing anything animal nor disease (killed some plants with it though).
> Never tried Peroxide, but it is my favorite for use to disinfect wounds
and
> to clear up external infections on animals (and me).  Peroxide rinses (in
> one side, out the other) even cleared up a gun-shot wound on a cat once
> (bullet went in one side, out the other, luckily didn't hit anything
vital,
> was badly infected - I was sure the cat would die - she lived 14 more
years
> to a ripe old age of 18!).  Lime (the pickling stuff is easy to get) and
> sulfur work very well for some diseases (especially external fungal).
Even
> things like milk and soda-pop work well on some diseases (i.e. powdery
> mildew), haven't tried them for Iris rot.  Foliar treatments and/or
> injections of antibiotics (ie. streptomycin) work well on some bacterial
> diseases (Fire Blight in Rose Family, certain internal Cactus rots, etc.).
> I've noticed that when the dog urinated on a rotting Iris, the rot stopped
> (that was probably a one-shot deal, not sure how feasible it is as a
> repeatable treatment), maybe it could be extrapolated to a self-applied
> treatment?
>
>
> Dave
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:18:45 -0500
> From: "Dana Brown" <DanaBrown@peoplepc.com>
> Subject: RE: [iris] RE: Fertilizer
>
> For us, not only did we get kernels of corn but, the ground up corn, used
as
> an additive in the mixture is reputed to be a growth inhibitor.  This may
> vary from brand to brand but the one time we bought "rabbit feed" by
mistake
> that is what we noticed. Hard to miss 3' tall corn plants!! <G>
>
> The horse pellets we use, are pure alfalfa, no additives of any sort.
They
> are smaller in diameter than a pencil and are very easy to work into the
> soil.  Good stuff!!
>
> Dana
>
> Dana Brown
> AIS Region 17 Judges Training Chairperson
> Director TBIS, ASI
> AIS, ASI, MIS, RIS, SPIS, TBIS
> Malevil Gardens
> www.malevil-iris.com
> Lubbock, TX
> Zone 7 USDA, Zone 10 Sunset
> DanaBrown@peoplepc.com
>
>
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-iris@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On Behalf Of Lobergs
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 1:41 PM
> To: iris@hort.net
> Subject: Re: [iris] RE: Fertilizer
>
> For twelve years I ran a rabbitry and have used a number of rabbit feeds
> (which alfalfa is the primary ingredient), and I don't ever recall seeing
> whole corn kernels or even partially whole kernels in them. You can buy
the
> small bags (1#, 2#) in a pet store which contains extra grain seeds for
> 'treats', but that's not the normal feed store kind. Purina makes a
> compressed
> pellet rabbit feed, and I preferred a brand which had smaller pellets
which
> were actually smaller than the size of a corn pellet. The thing I choose
for
> high quality rabbit feed included trace minerals, trace salt, and other
> nutrients for optimum growth, which may not be desirable for fertilizer.
> Most
> of the time the compressed alfalfa used for horses cubed alfalfa and it's
> all
> alfalfa, and horse feed like "cob" definitely includes whole corn kernels.
> Best thing to do would be to call your local feed store and ask what they
> have
> for compressed alfalfa pellets, and if you can get them without other
> ingredients.
> Kitty
> Northern Calif.
> > Rabbit pellets have corn, etc. In them and the horse pellets do not
making
> > the horse pellets straight fertilizer and the rabbit pellets will have
> corn
> > growing around your iris.
> >
> > Vernon G. Brown
> > Malevil Iris Gardens
> > Region 17 - USDA 7
> > AIS,ASI,MIS,RIS,SPIS,TBIS
> > Lubbock, Texas 79403
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-iris@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On Behalf Of Char
> > Holte
> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:43 AM
> > To: iris@hort.net
> > Subject: [iris] RE: Fertilizer
> >
> > BlankHi,
> >
> > There was a big discussion on different types of Fertilizer.  Including
> > rabbit
> > pellets.  Anyone remember the reference?
> >
> > Thanks, Char, New Berlin, WI
> >
> > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name
of
> > Blank Bkgrd.gif]
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:47:38 -0700
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> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:42:36 -0400
> From: Mickey Corley <MCorley@compuserve.com>
> Subject: Re: [iris] OT-HUMOR:Re: [iris-photos] Bleach water and Thistle
tea
>
> Message text written by INTERNET:iris@hort.net
> >
> Thistle seed is also ont of the favorite foods for some song birds,
> finches I think.
> <
>
> Different kind of thistle - niger thistle (I believe)
>
> Mickey Corley
> Bethany OK - Center of Oklahoma USA
> Zone 6/7
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:59:48 -0400
> From: Linda Mann <lmann@volfirst.net>
> Subject: [iris] Re: OT-PLANTS: Niger thistle
>
> Bull thistle (Circium vulgare), the purple flowered, spiny leaved,
> noxious weed and other plants we generally call thistles in the Circium
> genus aren't anything like the yellow flowered Niger oilseed/Niger
> thistle/Nyger (Guizotia abyssinica) used in finch bird feeders.
>
> Niger is more like a small flowered sunflower, is grown for human food
> in other parts of the world, with the leftovers heat sterilized (to kill
> any weed seeds accidentally mixed in with the Niger seed) and sold to
> the US for use as wild bird food.
>
> Because it is high in edible oil content, it's being studied as a crop
> plant in this country also as a potential source of fuel & cooking oil,
> not to mention the existing bird seed market.
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:03:47 -0600
> From: DFerguson@cabq.gov
> Subject: RE: [iris] RE: Fertilizer
>
> For what it's worth:
>
> Have a hunch that unless you are looking at nation-wide distributors, and
> using the same product and same manufacturer, that there is a lot of
> variation between regions, brands, and individual products (it's probably
> been at least 25 years since I paid even remote attention to Alfalfa
> pellets, but I'll bet that there are dozens, if not hundreds of somewhat
> different variations on the theme).  So, I suppose that might mean it
would
> be a good idea to find out what it is in it beforehand, no matter what
> animal it was made for.
>
> We have even bought dog kibble that had big whole chunks of vegetable
> matter in it, including whole kernels of corn.  Guess it's a way to bring
> the price down in the cheap brands?  Maybe supposed to appeal to
> vegetarians who want there carnivorous animals to be the same way?  It was
> generally more obvious when cleaning up the "processed" product than
before
> it went in the mouth.  Dogs (nor people) digest whole chunks of things
like
> corn or beans or peas very well.
>
> Till I joined this forum, I never would have even thought of the idea of
> using something like Alfalfa pellets as fertilizer.  The variety of topics
> and amount of participation here is great.  Now after all the discussion,
I
> think I might give the Alfalfa a shot.  I'd probably have to turn it under
> here, it would probably take a decade or two to break apart lying ion top
> (have four year old Sunflower stalks that look pretty much the same as
they
> did four years ago - maybe a bit darker, and fewer seeds).  And those cow
> pies, even rabbit pellets, they last for years too, if they're not under
> the sprays.
>
>
> Dave
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:08:03 -0600
> From: DFerguson@cabq.gov
> Subject: [iris] Bleach water and Thistle tea (birds)
>
> I get Finches, Sparrows, and kin, even the occasional Thrush or Oreole
> pulling seeds out of Thistle heads here, for that matter out of just about
> any Composite (Sunflowers, Gallardias, Echinacea, etc.).  The House
> Sparrows and a few others take the fluff for nests too.
>
>
> Dave
>
> ------------------------------
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