Re: Anthocyanin-sidetracked

As far as I can tell AVI is independent from the cell sap disolved anthocyanin. I saw AVIs in standards of Ziggy, which are an amber yello-, without disolved anthocyanin.
Two dosages of "I" will apparently turn a black with one dosage of AVI and one dosage of anthocyanin, into a yellow. This hasn't been confirmed with a controlled cross, but seems to be so based on observation.
Your theories re geen may pan out. But this is only one type of green There are several different greens. 

Chuck Chapman

Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:51:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: christian foster <flatnflashy@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [iris] Re: Anthocyanin-sidetracked

Chuck,
Let me see if I'm crossing O's. You are saying that black is usually a result 
of the AVI in the presence of yellow pigments, I think I understand that
part.  And you are saying that the AVI genetically speaking comes from
aphylla, but since there is no yellow in aphylla we don't see "black"
aphyllas.
Assuming everybody got off on the same track with me, are you saying that these AVI pigments are the type of anthocyanin pigments that express even 
through a full dosage of the I (inhibitor) gene.

If that is true, and the AVI can be expressed with yellow-to give black-
then... I think what I need to know is do the AVI inheirit independently from 
the type of anthocyanin that is expressed in say Breakers or Dusky
Challenger?
I remember that one of the ideas that got me interested in greens in the first place was that yellow and blue pigments are expressed in different layers in the flesh of the petal. So in the brain fog I'm thinking... if you could get 
a self expression of yellow in one layer, and a half I inhibitor self
expression of blue in another layer... then maybe you could get green. But if the AVI's are seperate from the layer of anthocyanin...then maybe you could just get a yellow base and top off with AVI. Am I mechanically in the right 
ball field?

Christian

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