HYB:Luminata and other variants of plicata

Dave, I have been going back through the photos attached to the thread on
Iris-photos, "Luminata Genetics."  There are a few of the varieties mentioned
on which I might make a conjecture, but since I have seen none of these in the
flesh, nor grown them and bred from them I would hesitate to pin down their
genetic makeup with any haste.  I am suggesting that:

BURST from Barry Blyth has a variant form of the fall overlay pattern Linda
Mann, I and others have called "Umbrata."  Probably an allelic series as
complex as plicata, the Umbratas are, nonetheless, not plicatas.  The series
is entirely separate.  A scan through the photos Barry Blyth has provided of
kin and descendents from his ancestral lines resulting in DECADENCE and many
others that vary from its pattern in various ways, including the eye-shadow
pattern in one of his recent introductions gives no suggestion of any plicata
types anywhere in the series.  For that reason I would tend to exclude BURST
from having any kinship to luminatas unless a progeny were grown that showed
otherwise.

CARNIVAL RIDE, along with its sib RING AROUND ROSIE from Rick Ernst and the
closely related OWYHEE DESERT, OWYHEE AMETHYST and BRUNEAU JASPER from Lucille
Pinkston express the same pattern their common ancestor, Hamner's WILD
JASMINE.  The known parts of the ancestries that relate to the pattern of
CARNIVAL RIDE trace back through breeding by Gordon Plough at Eden Road with
his SKETCH ME and PENCIL SKETCH.  These trace back to Gibson plicatas and
related materials.  The pattern is clearly one from somewhere in the plicata
allelic series.  I would suggest it is an allele looking for a name, rather
than being any one of those presently named.  SPLASHACATA and the several
related and descended cultivars from Rick Tasco would probably be the same
genetic variant.

CIRCUS WORLD is from unknown ancestry.  I would not begin to speculate on its
genetic makeup, other than to note that it is a bicolor, which limits the
possibilities.  It is not, however, a luminata, or any other variant of
plicata as far as I can see.

CLASSIC SUEDE is from plicata ancestry.  Even though the plicata pattern is
laid on in the manner of the luminata brush-work, it is not a luminata per se.
The heavy pattern at the hafts is strictly the normal plicata in type.  The
shading and feathering is located in the manner of plicata markings but has
the type of shading of luminata.  This may be one of those *other* phenotypes
to which Chapman refers.

Neil Mogensen   z 7 western NC mountains

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