RE: Hybridizing- Genetics "Ring Around Rosie"type

Quoting from Neil M.

"CARNIVAL RIDE, along with its sib RING AROUND ROSIE from Rick Ernst and the
closely related OWYHEE DESERT, OWYHEE AMETHYST and BRUNEAU JASPER from Lucille
Pinkston express the same pattern their common ancestor, Hamner's WILD
JASMINE.  The known parts of the ancestries that relate to the pattern of
CARNIVAL RIDE trace back through breeding by Gordon Plough at Eden Road with
his SKETCH ME and PENCIL SKETCH.  These trace back to Gibson plicatas and
related materials.  The pattern is clearly one from somewhere in the plicata
allelic series.  I would suggest it is an allele looking for a name, rather
than being any one of those presently named.  SPLASHACATA and the several
related and descended cultivars from Rick Tasco would probably be the same
genetic variant." 


My speculation on this is that we have recessive amoena with various plicata patterns, mostly plicata-luminata. If you look at the recessive amoena types  (many of Barry Blyth's intros through 'Sunset Snow' background) show this abscence of anthocyanin on rim as do most of the classic historical amoenas such as Wabash et al. Look at any luminata-plicata , not make it amoena, now    remove anthocyanin from rim. Voila.

In addition place this all on a Bride's Halo cartenoid  background and voila, 'Ring Around rosie'
Test crosses seeds have been planted of various crosses made to test this out.
 

Chuck Chapman
 

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