Re: AIS eligibility or not: 'Decadence' & 'Slovak Prince'
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  • Subject: Re: AIS eligibility or not: 'Decadence' & 'Slovak Prince'
  • From: R* P* <r*@embarqmail.com>
  • Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:21:34 -0500 (EST)
Loic: I love your persistence and actually hold views similar to yours. I
would like to see the AIS award system to be fully accessible to hybridizers
throughout the world as it is now up to the Dykes. I wish the British did not
want that restriction but they have responded in a letter this fall to this
point. Yes the Judge's Handbook will have to be changed. It is changed
frequently for small points and sometimes changed back again. When members
protest they are heard. The award system is an incredibly complex entity when
it comes to its execution. In many ways it does not make sense and all the
idiosyncracies should be spelled out. But it is the best that has been able to
be developed. Every action and rule evolves through time and will continue to
do so. My personal views may be different from societies's concensus. If you
wish to change the Dykes than the British is who you must convince since AIS
would be unlikely to go against their wishes. If you do not like the first
introduction clause then you must make an argument to AIS. As I mentioned the
introduction clause already allows foreign hybridizers to put their irises
into the system. These Irises enter at the candidate for Honorable Mention
level. There are over a thousand Irises at that level that must be verified
for introduction. This is becoming a horiffic task for the awards chair. No
solution comes to mind to make this easier.

----- Original Message -----
From: "loic tasquier" <tasquierloic@cs.com>
To: iris@hort.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:07:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [iris] AIS eligibility or not: 'Decadence' & 'Slovak  Prince'

Hello Robert,

This is not what's written  in the last version of the Hanbook for Judges:

'The Dykes Medal of America is awarded annually by the British iris Society
through the A.I.S., and is restricted to irises first introduced in the US or
Canada regardless of origin.

It doesn't say they have to be American!

Unless there is a new version of the handbook for Judges that i am not aware
of.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Robert Pries
  To: iris@hort.net
  Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [iris] AIS eligibility or not: 'Decadence' & 'Slovak Prince'


  Loic: The ,first introduction, is a requirement to enter the awards system
of AIS. Decadence is in that system and has already won an award of merit. It
is eligible for the highest Americam award the Wister Medal but as was said
in
an earlier post the Dykes is given by the British and their requirement is
that it be an American hybridizer.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "loic tasquier" <tasquierloic@cs.com>
  To: iris@hort.net
  Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:37:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
  Subject: [iris] AIS eligibility or not: 'Decadence' & 'Slovak Prince'

     If the North American Dykes Medal has reached such high standards during
  all these years, it's thanks to thorough regulations, and as i said before,
  this is an amazing achievement.
  But the world has been changing fast, particularly this last decade, and
some
  painful decisions will have to be made concerning potential contenders to
the
  North American Dykes Medal, that won't be allowed to compete according to
  these essential rules:

  Most people think that 'Decadence' is a serious contender to the North
  American Dykes Medal but they will be surprised when they realize that
since
  the North American Dykes Medal is restricted to irises first introduced in
the
  United States or Canada, 'Decadence' cannot compete in this category.

  It has been introduced in Australia by Tempo Two in 2004 and in Oregon By
  Keppel the same year:

  'Decadence'  (Barry Blyth, R. 2001). Sdlg. H83-G. TB, 38" (96 cm), M.
  S. creamy apricot, faint rose midrib flush; style arms creamy apricot; F.
  light plum burgundy, 1/4" creamy apricot edge; beards tangerine; heavily
  ruffled and laced. 'Temple of Time' X 'Louisa's Song'. Keppel, Tempo Two
2004,
  2004/05.

  Since i was not introduced in North America before being introduced
elsewhere,
  no medal.




  There is another contestant from abroad, 'Slovak Prince' :

  'Slovak Prince' (Anton Mego, R. 2002). Sdlg. AM-93/0038. TB, 33" (85 cm),
M.
  S. white shaded orchid lavender, slight blue veining, 1/8" gold rim; style
  arms silver lavender veined blue, gold edge; F. dark velvety blue purple,
  slightly lighter rim, white area around gold beard with purple veining
  changing to brown; ruffled; slight sweet fragrance. 'Edith Wolford' X
'Queen
  in Calico'. Aitken 2003.

  It has been introduced by Aiken in 2003, therefore, this one is eligible.




  Whether the rule applies, and it applies for all, or not.


  Loic

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