Re: AIS eligibility or not: 'Decadence' & 'Slovak Prince'
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  • Subject: Re: AIS eligibility or not: 'Decadence' & 'Slovak Prince'
  • From: &* t* <t*@cs.com>
  • Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:37:36 +0100
yes Robert, my nickname is Pit-bull...once i bite, you must shoot me before i
give up!

just kidding...!


The task to judge so many intros is huge, and it is what i was referring to in
my former mail. What an achievement! But it would be easier if The A.I.S.board
would set the rules once and for all.
i personally have no intention to run for medals on your side of the Atlantic,
and i'm glad, because  i would have a hard time to figure out the rules if
they keep changing!

LoC/c


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Robert Pries
  To: iris@hort.net
  Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [iris] AIS eligibility or not: 'Decadence' & 'Slovak Prince'


  Loic: I love your persistence and actually hold views similar to yours. I
  would like to see the AIS award system to be fully accessible to
hybridizers
  throughout the world as it is now up to the Dykes. I wish the British did
not
  want that restriction but they have responded in a letter this fall to this
  point. Yes the Judge's Handbook will have to be changed. It is changed
  frequently for small points and sometimes changed back again. When members
  protest they are heard. The award system is an incredibly complex entity
when
  it comes to its execution. In many ways it does not make sense and all the
  idiosyncracies should be spelled out. But it is the best that has been able
to
  be developed. Every action and rule evolves through time and will continue
to
  do so. My personal views may be different from societies's concensus. If
you
  wish to change the Dykes than the British is who you must convince since
AIS
  would be unlikely to go against their wishes. If you do not like the first
  introduction clause then you must make an argument to AIS. As I mentioned
the
  introduction clause already allows foreign hybridizers to put their irises
  into the system. These Irises enter at the candidate for Honorable Mention
  level. There are over a thousand Irises at that level that must be verified
  for introduction. This is becoming a horiffic task for the awards chair. No
  solution comes to mind to make this easier.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "loic tasquier" <tasquierloic@cs.com>
  To: iris@hort.net
  Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:07:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
  Subject: Re: [iris] AIS eligibility or not: 'Decadence' & 'Slovak  Prince'

  Hello Robert,

  This is not what's written  in the last version of the Hanbook for Judges:

  'The Dykes Medal of America is awarded annually by the British iris Society
  through the A.I.S., and is restricted to irises first introduced in the US
or
  Canada regardless of origin.

  It doesn't say they have to be American!

  Unless there is a new version of the handbook for Judges that i am not
aware
  of.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Robert Pries
    To: iris@hort.net
    Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:51 PM
    Subject: Re: [iris] AIS eligibility or not: 'Decadence' & 'Slovak Prince'


    Loic: The ,first introduction, is a requirement to enter the awards
system
  of AIS. Decadence is in that system and has already won an award of merit.
It
  is eligible for the highest Americam award the Wister Medal but as was said
  in
  an earlier post the Dykes is given by the British and their requirement is
  that it be an American hybridizer.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "loic tasquier" <tasquierloic@cs.com>
    To: iris@hort.net
    Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:37:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
    Subject: [iris] AIS eligibility or not: 'Decadence' & 'Slovak Prince'

       If the North American Dykes Medal has reached such high standards
during
    all these years, it's thanks to thorough regulations, and as i said
before,
    this is an amazing achievement.
    But the world has been changing fast, particularly this last decade, and
  some
    painful decisions will have to be made concerning potential contenders to
  the
    North American Dykes Medal, that won't be allowed to compete according to
    these essential rules:

    Most people think that 'Decadence' is a serious contender to the North
    American Dykes Medal but they will be surprised when they realize that
  since
    the North American Dykes Medal is restricted to irises first introduced
in
  the
    United States or Canada, 'Decadence' cannot compete in this category.

    It has been introduced in Australia by Tempo Two in 2004 and in Oregon By
    Keppel the same year:

    'Decadence'  (Barry Blyth, R. 2001). Sdlg. H83-G. TB, 38" (96 cm), M.
    S. creamy apricot, faint rose midrib flush; style arms creamy apricot; F.
    light plum burgundy, 1/4" creamy apricot edge; beards tangerine; heavily
    ruffled and laced. 'Temple of Time' X 'Louisa's Song'. Keppel, Tempo Two
  2004,
    2004/05.

    Since i was not introduced in North America before being introduced
  elsewhere,
    no medal.




    There is another contestant from abroad, 'Slovak Prince' :

    'Slovak Prince' (Anton Mego, R. 2002). Sdlg. AM-93/0038. TB, 33" (85 cm),
  M.
    S. white shaded orchid lavender, slight blue veining, 1/8" gold rim;
style
    arms silver lavender veined blue, gold edge; F. dark velvety blue purple,
    slightly lighter rim, white area around gold beard with purple veining
    changing to brown; ruffled; slight sweet fragrance. 'Edith Wolford' X
  'Queen
    in Calico'. Aitken 2003.

    It has been introduced by Aiken in 2003, therefore, this one is eligible.




    Whether the rule applies, and it applies for all, or not.


    Loic

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