Re: HYB: zonal genetics
iris@hort.net
  • Subject: Re: HYB: zonal genetics
  • From: C* C* <i*@aim.com>
  • Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:07:08 -0500 (EST)
I haven't changed my view on this. It needs more data, that is a cross
of Suky with a glaciata , and  more then 20 seedlings, for the
disproof. Less if you get a glaciata and a luminata in a lower number
of seedlings.

But, I strongly suspect that Ae, combined with "I"  play a role here.
and these need to be teased out as well.   For example. Troubadour's
Song  X Suky (both pastel blues) produced Exit tunnel, a very dark blue
zonal. Can only happen if one or both (which is what I suspect) have
Ae plus "I".

So it would likely take more then one cross to tease out. And as you
know, most people are ignoring Ae  and it's combination with "I" . It
can't be sorted  out without  this information.

So for my money, Suky has  pl-lu at least once, but not more then two,
and  pl-a at least two, perhaps three, plus Ae plus "I", dosages
unknown.

Chuck Chapman

-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>
To: iris <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 21, 2012 2:20 pm
Subject: [iris] HYB: zonal genetics

This is mostly a question for Chuck, but others please chime in.

Back in 2004, there was a lot of discussion here about the genetics of
zonals and their relationship to the plicata locus, luminatas in
particular. Comments from Chuck Chapman, Fred Kerr, Lloyd Zurbrigg, and 
Neil Mogensen.  (miss those latter two guys a lot)
At that time, there was speculation that both CLARENCE and SUKY have one 
or more doses of glaciata and/or 4 doses of luminata, possibly combined
with dominant amoena.

Supposedly, Keith Keppel had been working on a definition of zonal.

I have quite a bit of SUKY in the mix now, plus managed to get one pod
using Keith's glaciata SUN SHINE IN.
Is the presence of luminata or glaciata genes in SUKY known for sure now? 

I didn't find anything more recent than 2004 in the archives, searching
for zonal or for Suky.

Thanks

Linda Mann

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