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Subject: [iris-talk] Digest Number 1392
There are 23 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Re:Yahoo-Groups
From: Glenn Simmons <glenn_simmons@juno.com>
2. Re:Yahoo-Groups
From: "wmoores" <wmoores@watervalley.net>
3. Re: Re:Yahoo-Groups
From: John Jones <jijones@ix.netcom.com>
4. Re: Re:Yahoo-Groups
From: "D. Patterson" <nye@mail.fidalgo.net>
5. SPEC:Reticulatas
From: Bill Shear <wshear@email.hsc.edu>
6. RETICULATA
From: THEO1415@aol.com
7. CULT: Seed life?
From: Nick Zentena <zentena@hophead.org>
8. REF: AIS Bulletin
From: ranchiris@aol.com
9. OT-CHAT: spring!
From: Linda Mann <lmann@icx.net>
10. AIS: help - checklist mystery
From: Linda Mann <lmann@icx.net>
11. AIS: another checklist mystery
From: Linda Mann <lmann@icx.net>
12. Re: AIS: another checklist mystery
From: arilbredbreeder@cs.com
13. Re: AIS: another checklist mystery
From: Ray <keisling@swbell.net>
14. Re: Re:Yahoo-Groups
From: "Hotmail" <janclarx@hotmail.com>
15. Re: REF: AIS Bulletin
From: Gerry Snyder <gerrysnyder@mediaone.net>
16. Re: Re: CULT: stratifying seeds
From: "Donald Eaves" <donald@eastland.net>
17. Re: SPEC:Reticulatas
From: "Jim Gibbons" <jimgibbons@interpath.com>
18. Re: AIS: help - checklist mystery
From: tmilchh@aol.com
19. Re: Re: Groups
From: tmilchh@aol.com
20. Re: REF: AIS Bulletin
From: John Jones <jijones@ix.netcom.com>
21. Re: CULT: stratifying seeds, and more
From: majorcanis@aol.com
22. RE: AIS Bulletin
From: Dave Silverberg <sil1812@molalla.net>
23. RE: Another Checklist Mystery
From: Dave Silverberg <sil1812@molalla.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:24:26 -0600
From: Glenn Simmons <glenn_simmons@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Re:Yahoo-Groups
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:12:00 -0800 Vicki Craig <craigiris@ipns.com>
writes:
> Hi,
>
> I am wondering what you are discussing. I changed my address book
> to show iris- et al to yahoo as it came through to me, in my address
> book. I thought I was getting all the messages and photos. Am I
missing
> something? I have not been asked to do anything. Certainly not to give
> personal informaion.
>
> Vicki
>
I have gone to Yahoo Groups and re-registered just as I did for E-Groups.
I have been reading the letters with all the negative comments about
being required to give Yahoo Groups personal information and personally I
do not see a problem with what they ask. I am normally completely
against anything that I feel infringes upon my privacy but I did not
object to the questions at Yahoo. Honestly the questions asked at Yahoo
were basically the same questions asked by E-Groups if and when you
registered with them and Yahoo, like E-Groups, does give the registering
person the option of how much of the registering information is to be
made public. The information asked by Yahoo is pretty much the same
information asked by other web sites that require registration to use
them.
Am I missing something here?
Glenn
Glenn & Linda Simmons, Springfield, Missouri, Climate Zone 6 USA
g*@juno.com
g*@netscape.net
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:49:08 -0600
From: "wmoores" <wmoores@watervalley.net>
Subject: Re:Yahoo-Groups
>
> I have gone to Yahoo Groups and re-registered just as I did for E-Groups.
> I have been reading the letters with all the negative comments about
> being required to give Yahoo Groups personal information and personally I
> do not see a problem with what they ask.
> Am I missing something here?
>
> Glenn
>
>
> Glenn & Linda Simmons, Springfield, Missouri, Climate Zone 6 USA
When eGroups took over One-List, I didn't do anything, and I haven't done
anything with the Yahoo Groups take-over of E groups. And,
everything turned out ok. The messages just started coming without
anything on my part. I did get a message to set up a Yahoo email
account which I did not want so I deleted it. Maybe this is what
yawl are talking about with the personal questions. I haven't been
asked to do anything to convert.
Walter Moores
Enid Lake, MS USA 7/8
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:51:43 -0800
From: John Jones <jijones@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Re:Yahoo-Groups
wmoores wrote:
>
When eGroups took over One-List, I didn't do anything, and I haven't done
> anything with the Yahoo Groups take-over of E groups. And,
> everything turned out ok. The messages just started coming without
> anything on my part. I did get a message to set up a Yahoo email
> account which I did not want so I deleted it. Maybe this is what
> yawl are talking about with the personal questions. I haven't been
> asked to do anything to convert.
To all who are asking about Yahoogroups:
If you just want to continue to send and receive list mail, you don't
have to do anything. However if you want to be able to change from
"Individual Email" to "Digest" or to "Unsubscribe" for instance (or any
of the other administrative functions using the Web) you will have to
create a Yahoo ID. It is easy to do. Just go to the Conversion Wizard at:
http://beta.groups.yahoo.com/convwiz
If you have forgotten your eGroups password, there is a solution there
for that as well. All you have to do is follow the simple instructions.
If you already have a Yahoo! ID, you can link the two easily.
As I said before, if you don't like the question, give them a bogus answer.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:08:16 -0800
From: "D. Patterson" <nye@mail.fidalgo.net>
Subject: Re: Re:Yahoo-Groups
Glenn Simmons wrote:
>
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:12:00 -0800 Vicki Craig <craigiris@ipns.com>
> writes:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am wondering what you are discussing. I changed my address book
> > to show iris- et al to yahoo as it came through to me, in my address
> > book. I thought I was getting all the messages and photos. Am I
> missing
> > something? I have not been asked to do anything. Certainly not to give
> > personal informaion.
> >
> > Vicki
> >
>
> I have gone to Yahoo Groups and re-registered just as I did for E-Groups.
> I have been reading the letters with all the negative comments about
> being required to give Yahoo Groups personal information and personally I
> do not see a problem with what they ask. I am normally completely
> against anything that I feel infringes upon my privacy but I did not
> object to the questions at Yahoo. Honestly the questions asked at Yahoo
> were basically the same questions asked by E-Groups if and when you
> registered with them and Yahoo, like E-Groups, does give the registering
> person the option of how much of the registering information is to be
> made public. The information asked by Yahoo is pretty much the same
> information asked by other web sites that require registration to use
> them.
>
> Am I missing something here?
>
> Glenn
>
> Glenn & Linda Simmons, Springfield, Missouri, Climate Zone 6 USA
>
> g*@juno.com
> g*@netscape.net
Yes, you are. When you go to a newsstand to buy a magazine, you are not
required to disclose any information whatsoever about yourself. Your
reading habits are not subject to a violation of your privacy. Some of
us are irritated by the intrusion. If the questionaire were strictly
voluntary, there would be no significant intrusion upon the reader's
right to privacy. This questionaire appears to be an involuntary
requirement for re-registration, if I understand correctly. Also, there
is the other matter of passwords to consider.
There is a significant amount of time and trouble involved for each
reader to maintain and troubleshoot problems with restricted access by
passwords. Such efforts may not be significant for users with only a few
such passwords, but there are those of us who must deal with passwords
and Personal Identification Numbers (PINs) numbering in the dozens to
hundreds. The last thing we need is yet another service which has a
password that needs to be maintained and fixed on occasion.
Take the current situation for an example. My subscription has never
been converted to a password account. Like now, the ability to read and
post is unchanged without the password association. However, any other
activity to subscribe, unsubscribe, and so forth require the latest
registration, password, and involuntary questionaire. Attempts to view
the questionaire by way of the conversion wizard are futile. The
conversion wizard refuses to provide any access, because it says that
the e-mail address is not found. In the absence of effective
instructions, it is not known if or how the current subscription can be
unsubscribed without the special intervention of an administrator. Even
if the current and original subscription can be unsubscribed by an old
style command, there is no reason to believe that a new subscription can
be registered without submitting to the unwanted password regime and the
involuntary questionaire (which is not yet viewable).
As you can see, the simple process is not as simple as it may first
appear. The older style of simple commands and no passwords is
infinitely preferable to the current commercialized scheme.
Also, the suggestion that the hosting of the maillist is free is not
entirely accurate. The hosting may have no direct monetary cost, but
there is a considerable cost in time and labor by the list managers,
post authors, and others participating in the list activities. It is
true that the host is contributing the facilities and some labor,
however the host is also not sharing any of the advertising revenues
with the list managers or post authors. So, there is room for
alternative views about who is contributing what versus who is
benefiting how much in the overall scheme.
Commercial ownership of the host has already made multiple changes in
ownership and management. Noting Yahoos!' struggles for profitability,
it is reasonable to assume that the future of the maillist host is
llikey to continue changing ownership and responsibility. With that
prospect in mind, the benefits accruing from a long-term and stable
association with a non-commercial host, non-profit organization and/or
educational establishment, appear to be rather attractive. They may not
even require those troublesome passwords and questionaires <smile>.
Dallas Patterson
nye@fidalgo.net
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:27:12 -0500
From: Bill Shear <wshear@email.hsc.edu>
Subject: SPEC:Reticulatas
A mild day yesterday (62F) and again today. I took the time to do a little
gardening and found that I. reticulata was up about an inch, and 'Katherine
Hodgkin' twice that.
Therefore I hereby declare spring to be here and urge everyone to act
accordingly.
Bill Shear
Department of Biology
Hampden-Sydney College
Hampden-Sydney VA 23943
(804)223-6172
FAX (804)223-6374
email<wshear@email.hsc.edu>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:49:44 EST
From: THEO1415@aol.com
Subject: RETICULATA
Can anyone tell me where I can get some of the new reticulata iris? I know
I
have to plant them in the fall. Many thanks. Theo
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:32:33 -0500
From: Nick Zentena <zentena@hophead.org>
Subject: CULT: Seed life?
A few days ago I got around to planting the Signa seeds I got last fall.
These were the 1999 crop. Most seemed okay but some of the pseudacorus
seemed
less then healthy. I planted some from the same packet last fall and they
seemed perfect. All the other varieties seemed okay. So do pseudacorus
seeds
get old quicker? In addition I ended up with more seeds then I could plant
with some varieties. How long will they keep in general?
While I'm at it the various Ensata seeds seemed to vary in size quite a
bit.
Some were fairly large other types of Ensata smaller. Does seed size vary
quite a bit?
Thanks
Nick
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:36:17 EST
From: ranchiris@aol.com
Subject: REF: AIS Bulletin
Does anyone know when we can expect the January Bulletin? And, will it
contain registration information for the York, Pa convention?
PS: Thanks to all who helped me locate the Grosvenor Iris book!
Kathy Chilton
Tucson AZ Zone 8 Finally warming up a little, I hope the frosts will
improve
spring bloom!
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:48:24 -0500
From: Linda Mann <lmann@icx.net>
Subject: OT-CHAT: spring!
Species crocuses started today! Bill is right - spring has officially
started!
Linda M
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:59:54 -0500
From: Linda Mann <lmann@icx.net>
Subject: AIS: help - checklist mystery
I told John I'd quit chewing on this but I can't seem to let go of a
mystery I ran into editing some bits and pieces of the 70s checklist.
There are two cultivars for which the electronic version I am editing
doesn't match what's in the hard copy (70s decade book).
In the book, STORM FLURRY is listed this way:
STORM FLURRY (Schreiner's, R. 1975). Sdlg. E 1365-A. TB, 42" (107 cm),
ML. Velvety blue-black self; purple-black beard. A 595-7: (S 500-B x
Tuxedo) X (1107-BB: x Black Swan). Schreiner's 1975.
But in the electronic draft I was editing, seedling 1107-BB was expanded
so the entry looks like this:
STORM FLURRY (Schreiner's, R. 1975). Sdlg. E 1365-A. TB, 42" (107 cm),
ML. Velvety blue-black self; purple-black beard. A 595-7: (S 500-B x
Tuxedo) X (1107-BB: (R 901-A: (Dark Boatman x N364-1: (L 492-A x L
474-J)) x Black Swan). Schreiner's 1975.
In the other one, SUDELEY is listed this way in the book:
SUDELEY (J. D. Taylor, R. 1979). Sdlg. V.83/1. SDB, 13" (33 cm), E.
Blue, plum purple spot, brown-purple at hafts; grey-blue beard. Double
Lament X Royal Fairy.
But in the electronic draft, it's listed this way:
SUDELEY (J. D. Taylor, R. 1979). Sdlg. V.83/1. SDB, 13" (33 cm), E.
Yellow self; deep blue beard. Double Lament X Royal Fairy.
Anybody have any clues as to where these two changes came from or, if
not, know if the seedling # expansion is correct and what color SUDELEY
actually is? Big difference between yellow and blue!
Thanks.
Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
gorgeous warm allergenic spring day
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:08:07 -0500
From: Linda Mann <lmann@icx.net>
Subject: AIS: another checklist mystery
Anybody out there have the original yearly checklists for the 70s?
LITTLE LAMB (B. Warburton, R. 1979) is described as 'Tailored white
white self...', which may be a typo, or maybe she just was really
excited about how white it was...Anybody have the 79 R&I and willing to
look it up?
Thanks.
Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:52:24 EST
From: arilbredbreeder@cs.com
Subject: Re: AIS: another checklist mystery
In a message dated 1/31/01 1:44:56 PM Mountain Standard Time, lmann@icx.net
writes:
<< Anybody out there have the original yearly checklists for the 70s?
LITTLE LAMB (B. Warburton, R. 1979) is described as 'Tailored white
white self...', which may be a typo, or maybe she just was really
excited about how white it was...Anybody have the 79 R&I and willing to
look it up?
>>
The original wording was "Tailored pure white self; white styles and beard".
At the time, "white white" was widely used, along with "blue white" and
'yellow white" to distinguish between the various hues.
Sharon McAllister
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:23:31 -0600
From: Ray <keisling@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: AIS: another checklist mystery
Linda - The 1979 R&I (Sdlg 9u-1 SDB 10", E-M. Tailored white white
self; white styles and beard) background history is also printed.
Ray Keisling
Linda Mann wrote:
> Anybody out there have the original yearly checklists for the 70s?
> LITTLE LAMB (B. Warburton, R. 1979) is described as 'Tailored white
> white self...', which may be a typo, or maybe she just was really
> excited about how white it was...Anybody have the 79 R&I and willing to
> look it up?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
>
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:55:36 +1100
From: "Hotmail" <janclarx@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re:Yahoo-Groups
>If you have forgotten your eGroups password, there is a solution there
>for that as well. All you have to do is follow the simple instructions.
>If you already have a Yahoo! ID, you can link the two easily.
Well I finally bothered to make the change. I haven't had a good look yet,
but it certainly doesn't look as neat and well laid out as e-groups or
one-list was.
>As I said before, if you don't like the question, give them a bogus
answer.
You can't actually leave a field empty, which I think is rather a pain.
They have the choice of gender as male, female or -. If you click on - the
send back a message asking to specify gender. I really think they have no
business asking. I am rather surprised they don't ask for sexual preference.
I wouldn't have bothered, but I like to be able to access my account and
the archives for other lists which don't have alternative archives.
So now they have an account for an 80 year old Male living in Antarctica!
Jan Clark, USDA zone 1 :-)
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:57:22 -0800
From: Gerry Snyder <gerrysnyder@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: REF: AIS Bulletin
ranchiris@aol.com wrote:
>
> Does anyone know when we can expect the January Bulletin?
It is believed to be in the mail, so soon.
> And, will it
> contain registration information for the York, Pa convention?
It should.
Gerry
--
g*@mediaone.net
Gerry Snyder, AIS Symposium Chair, Region 15 RVP
Member San Fernando Valley, Southern California Iris Societies
in warm, winterless Los Angeles
my work: helping generate data for: http://galileo.jpl.nasa.gov/
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:51:37 -0600
From: "Donald Eaves" <donald@eastland.net>
Subject: Re: Re: CULT: stratifying seeds
Jan asks,
> I seem to remember other people saying they throw their seeds in the
freezer as soon as they receive (or harvest) them. Was Walter one of those
people? Anyone else??
I did last year. The seeds were thoroughly dried and then I put them in
labeled medicine containers and left them in the deep freezer until I took
them out, soaked them for about a week and planted them last fall.
Germination was pretty good. I've followed the same steps this year, but
it's not time for them to germinate yet, so haven't a clue as to the
percentage I may get on this year's crop. I'm more fearful of my potting
mixture this year than the freezing, though.
Donald Eaves
donald@eastland.net
Texas Zone 7, USA
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:09:22 -0500
From: "Jim Gibbons" <jimgibbons@interpath.com>
Subject: Re: SPEC:Reticulatas
>Bill Shear wrote:
> Therefore I hereby declare spring to be here and urge everyone to act
> accordingly.
>
> Spring in Coastal Carolina as well, reticulata up about and inch, daffs
showing a couple of inches, tulips (oh oh) poking their heads through.
> > Jim Gibbons
Comfy in Carolina
Zone 8a, 68 yesterday, 65 today, more winter projected for the near future.
>
> >
>
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:11:05 EST
From: tmilchh@aol.com
Subject: Re: AIS: help - checklist mystery
Dear Linda,
Did you check to see if a later book, like the 80 's or 90's book had a
correction?
Just a thought.
Annette
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:38:11 EST
From: tmilchh@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Groups
Dear Vicki ,
Perhaps, I am not the best person to advise you on yahoo, but it seems
to me that you can get the messages & receive them, but you are not
registered & cannot change your preferences if you should want to leave town
&
not get the messages for a while or wish to get them in another form as in
digest form, then you would need to register & answer the questions.
Annette
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:40:28 -0800
From: John Jones <jijones@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: REF: AIS Bulletin
ranchiris@aol.com wrote:
>
> Does anyone know when we can expect the January Bulletin? And, will it
> contain registration information for the York, Pa convention?
> PS: Thanks to all who helped me locate the Grosvenor Iris book!
> Kathy Chilton
> Tucson AZ Zone 8 Finally warming up a little, I hope the frosts will
improve
> spring bloom!
Chris Hollinshead recently posted a note here that the registration
information was on the CIS Website
John | "There be dragons here"
| Annotation used by ancient cartographers
| to indicate the edge of the known world.
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Director, American Iris Society
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:19:40 EST
From: majorcanis@aol.com
Subject: Re: CULT: stratifying seeds, and more
Stratification:
Last year I did the refrigerator method and got reasonably good
germination. This year I am letting nature do it. I rescue foam boxes that
fish come in holding about 1 cu. foot of soil from a local pet store. I have
a huge supply of potting soil I prepared last summer. I am planting the
seeds
in these boxes and covering deeply enough, about 1", to take possible
heaving
and squirrels into account, and watering generously. Tho hardly an
authority,
I understand that some seeds have germination inhibitors and that repeated
flushing with water should wash it away/out. This week so far we are not
even
going below 32 F, but later we will, and will likely have at least 8 more
freeze thaw cycles. I think that ought to work.
Re: PIG FOOD bone meal. I spoke with a local far supply today when I
bought some super phosphate and they could not identify a product or brand
that had a high bone meal content. Would the person who made this
suggestions
please elaborate?
They did warn me that oil prices will result in fertilizer prices when the
spring shipments come in, which was one reason I stopped by anticipating
this.
Jim Harrison
Asheville, NC
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:48:23 -0800
From: Dave Silverberg <sil1812@molalla.net>
Subject: RE: AIS Bulletin
My copy of the Bulletin arrived today, Jan 31.
Dave Silverberg
Molalla, Oregon USA zone 7/8ish
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:06:19 -0800
From: Dave Silverberg <sil1812@molalla.net>
Subject: RE: Another Checklist Mystery
Ray: I get the distinct impression that something was changed between
the printing of the '79 R & I (published in 1980) and the IRIS CHECK
LIST 1979 (published in 1981).
1. The 1979 CHECKLIST does indeed say "Tailored white white self,
etc.......
2 The 1979 R&I says "Tailored pure white self; white styles and beard,
etc.....
I will try to query Keith Keppel and see if perhaps he can shed some
light on this mystery and the one involving Storm Flurry and Sudeley.
Dave Silverberg
Molalla, Oregon, USA zone 7/8ish
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