Re: Re: HYB: another terminology question
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  • Subject: Re: Re: HYB: another terminology question
  • From: B* W* <a*@aol.com>
  • Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:04:29 -0500 (EST)
Siblings are any seedlings that come from the same cross. Example: 'Treasured' X 'Renown'. Treasured is the pod parent and Renown is the pollen parent. 

A reverse cross would be 'Renown' X 'Treasure'.  It is not the same.
Technically . . . if Linda made the same cross five years later they would be siblings. They are still the same cross.
Each seedlings in a pod is different, even if it can not be seen with the naked eye. So, the fact that the seedlings in Linda's cross would look different than the ones in my cross would be expected, even though they would still (most) look like siblings. 

Does this help?


Betty Wilkerson
Zone 6 KY
autmirislvr@aol.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Shaub Dunkley <miscaccts@bellsouth.net>
To: iris <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 5:21 pm
Subject: [iris] Re: HYB: another terminology question
Hey group -Hope this formats correctly - was unclear about how to post to the list. I've lurked for some time on a learning curve. Long curve to go but gotta stumble in somewhere.It would seem being able to distinguish between pod sibling and sibling separated by time has value worth conserving. Fraternal twins have less chance of being step-sibling. Across time, particularly across years, there is more chance that records might have got mixed up, or field labels got mixed up and Daddy Joe then is not Daddy Joe now, etc. (same for Mom). Might not a discriminating (subsequent) hybridizer want to utilize sibling known to be from within the same pod if he wanted to critically improve chances of breeding within a certain gene pool?I'm still figuring out to sleuth cross information in the registry but it is apparent some hybridizers use numbering systems that are fairly transparent as to who are pod sibling and who are across-time sibling. Gold stars to them.BTW - are there better terms than pod siblings and across-time siblings?Shaub DunkleyAsheville, North Carolina Z6b-----Original Message----- From: Tom Waters <irises@telp.com> To: iris <iris@hort.net> Sent: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:11 am Subject: [iris] HYB: another terminology questionWhile we're at it, I'm interested in how people understand the term "sibling". I've seen it sometimes apparently restricted to two irises that came from the same pod of seed, or at least the product of the cross of two plants made by the same hybridizer in the same year. It seems to me that since the two parents are clones, any irises with the same parentage are siblings, even if the crosses that produced them were made many years or miles apart by different people. My own brother and sisters, for example, are no less my brother and sisters for having been gestated separately at different times. ;) Tom Waters Telperion Oasis ~ www.telp.com/irises Cuyamungue, New Mexico, USA (zone 6) ----------------------------------------From: "Tom Waters" <irises@telp.com>Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 7:22 AMTo:-------------------------------------------------------------------- -To sign-off this list, send email to majordomo@hort.net with themessage text UNSUBSCRIBE IRIS 

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