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> 1. Re: REB: What Qualifies for a Rebloom Report?
> From: storylade@aol.com
> 2. Re: REB: What Qualifies for a Rebloom Report?
> From: storylade@aol.com
> 3. CULT: Bulbous Iris
> From: Bill Shear <wshear@email.hsc.edu>
> 4. RE:HYB:Plicata Genetics Update
> From: irischapman@netscape.net
> 5. PCN: seedlings
> From: "sidneygardener" <sidneygardener@email.msn.com>
> 6. Re: Spec: Dietes.
> From: wjobe@aol.com
> 7. Re: REB: short report/Natale update
> From: GardnrJan1@aol.com
> 8. OT-CHAT: hypertufa again
> From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
> 9. Re: PCN: seedlings
> From: "Jan's Hotmail" <janclarx@hotmail.com>
> 10. OT-PLANTS: Crocus and misc. Spring Bulbs
> From: "Char and Mike at Melba, ID" <charmike1@juno.com>
> 11. Re: OT-CHAT: hypertufa again
> From: laird.kelly@juno.com
> 12. Re: CULT: Bulbous Iris
> From: laird.kelly@juno.com
> 13. Re: OT-PLANTS: Crocus and misc. Spring Bulbs
> From: THEO1415@aol.com
> 14. Re: Re: REB: short report/Natale update
> From: claire235@aol.com
> 15. Re: COMP: Online Databases
> From: patriciabrooks@coupeville.net
> 16. Re: CULT: Bulbous Iris
> From: "Jeff and Carolyn Walters" <jcwalters@bridgernet.com>
> 17. Re: AIS: Regional websites?
> From: Billie Jones <billieljones@yahoo.com>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:06:21 EST
> From: storylade@aol.com
> Subject: Re: REB: What Qualifies for a Rebloom Report?
>
> In a message dated 1/12/2001 12:22:35 AM Central Standard Time,
> wmoores@watervalley.net writes:
>
> << I have never reported
> rebloom for California on a recently set plant that bloomed in
> Mississippi. >>
>
> Walter, I was not saying that you should REPORT it as anything--only
> that you could NOT report it as rebloom in your area since the bloom did not
> "set" there. People should NEVER report rebloom in their area when the iris
> was shipped from another region or area during that bloom season. Since we
> only report rebloom from our areas, it would not be reported at all.
>
> If I went on a trip to California to see the rebloom fields, I would tell
> others of what I'd seen, and some might consider that a report. I would not.
> However, there would be those that would pass on the fact that a particular
> iris rebloomed in California. It might even wind up on the Check List. AND
> it would be the truth. (I also think that I could report CA rebloom IF I saw
> it myself and be okay) Just my opinion.
>
> I corresponded with Monty Byers. He added my rebloom reports, though
> unofficial, to his data base which made it's way into the Check List. He did
> not see INFERNO rebloom in KY, but I did. He made the report. I made the
> crosses. LOL
>
> Betty / Bowling Green KY USA Zone 6
> Only those who dare to dream can make a dream come true.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:21:51 EST
> From: storylade@aol.com
> Subject: Re: REB: What Qualifies for a Rebloom Report?
>
> In a message dated 1/12/2001 12:22:35 AM Central Standard Time,
> wmoores@watervalley.net writes:
>
> << If you report a
> recently set plant as a rebloomer (CA or MS) and it does not repeat
> in subsequent fall cycles, you have skewed the data. >>
>
> Walter, am I to understand that ANY recently set plant that reblooms is
> suspect as to it's rebloom genetics? I thought rebloom indicated genetic
> predisposition, even if it only rebloomed once. After all we have "sporadic
> rebloom" as a class. That's not to say it's a heavy rebloomer or
> everbloomer.
>
> I only see this as skewed if you expect heavy rebloom each and every fall
> from all your rebloomers. At this point I do not. Only a few classify as
> everbloomers. Hopefully, as breeders take more chances incorporating these
> "sporadics" into their programs we will have more quality rebloomers.
>
> Where would we be without VICTORIA FALLS? One of the most sporadic of all.
> What if it had never been reported because it didn't rebloom every fall?
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> Betty / Bowling Green KY USA Zone 6
> Only those who dare to dream can make a dream come true.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:38:25 -0500
> From: Bill Shear <wshear@email.hsc.edu>
> Subject: CULT: Bulbous Iris
>
> >> I haven't personally tried iris in hypertufa but wouldn't expect any
> >> problems except maybe with bulb iris that don't like lime or with
> >> water-loving species that like less drainage
>
> Which bulbous irises don't like lime?
>
> Bill Shear
> Department of Biology
> Hampden-Sydney College
> Hampden-Sydney VA 23943
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:37:09 -0000
> From: irischapman@netscape.net
> Subject: RE:HYB:Plicata Genetics Update
>
> An update on what I've been finding. There definately some SDB and MDB
> where there is plicata "pl" and luminata "plu" alleles on the pumilla
> chromosomes. This means several things. One is that with the right
> combinations we can get the full range of plicata genotypes with SDB
> and MDB. It also means reinterpreting the genotypes. To help with this
> I ended up looking at the diploid MTB (minature tall bearded). From
> this I have concluded that the stripped pattern as seen in Flea
> Circus, Circus Stripes, Autumn Circus etc, are genotype "pla pla plu
> plu" Using data provided by Mike Sutton I now clasify luminatas as
> being "pl pla plu plu". Fancy plicatas are likely "pl pl pla plu"
> Thus glaciata X zonal will produce striped plicatas. Glaciatas X
> luminatas will produce some luminatas, so hardy pinks can be used to
> increas hardiness of luminatas. The wide zonals "pl plu plu plu" such
> as Clarence. Suky, City Lights etc, crossed with luminatas should
> produce 5/12 luminata, close to half of the offspring. As Clarence is
> very hardy, it would be a good choice. Zonal X luminata will also
> produce some luminatas.
> I have also seen an interaction of plicata genotypes with the
> particular pigments. Thus various anthocyanin pigments will show
> slightly differently. For example, the dotted plicatas. Tea Apron
> which is "pl pl pla pla" has a lot of dotting, yet Purple Pepper is
> heavily dotted. Purple pepper has a much darker violet colour, and
> heavier disribution. This interaction seems to produce even more
> dramatic differences in other genotypes and may be able to change a
> luminata into a broken colour. More research and data is needed. There
> also seems to be at least one yellow pigment that is distributed
> according to the same patterns and pathways as is affecting the
> anthyocanin pigments.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:10:31 -0700
> From: "sidneygardener" <sidneygardener@email.msn.com>
> Subject: PCN: seedlings
>
> Hi everyone;
>
> I have three PCN seedlings that have just germinated. I live in alkaline NM
> so any suggestions on how I now care for these acid loving babies? Has
> anyone received their seed from SIGNA yet?
>
> Thanks,
> Cindy Rivera
> Albuquerque, NM
> Zone 7
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:29:16 EST
> From: wjobe@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Spec: Dietes.
>
> Mark,
> I think they are a lot hardier than given credit for.
>
> Leslie Jobe' Where we woke up to an inch of new snow.
> Owensboro,Ky
> Zone 6, region 7
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:44:18 EST
> From: GardnrJan1@aol.com
> Subject: Re: REB: short report/Natale update
>
> HI talkers,
> REALLY miss ya'll...have an hour to spend at computer here at our store
> so must be brief but everyone here is doing fine, house reconstruction
> proceeding well...all of us healthy again, won't even go into the extended
> sick report...but here's the rebloom report from SC. If our catastrophe
> hadn't happened just as we were getting freezing weather, I'd have had two
> more in bloom but I fear the buds still onthe stalks of JUICY FRUIT and CORAL
> CHARMER may not end up opening after all...have them in the sun at the condo
> where we're staying so here's hoping...
>
> Things that did rebloom up until December 20th...
> WINESAP
> CORAL CHARMER
> DARKLING
> DARK CRYSTAL
> BELVI QUEEN
> SMELL THE ROSES
> BORN AGAIN
>
> Every one of my iris catalogues/books/addresses are in storage till our house
> is redone so I can't find address to mail in this report...could someone
> forward it? Hope to check back in maybe for an hour next week sometime.
> Suffering iris info/picture withdrawal,
> Janet natale
> zone 8 of SC, Myrtle Beach
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:53:15 -0500
> From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
> Subject: OT-CHAT: hypertufa again
>
> Is it possible to make something like a birdbath out of hypertufa?
> Will it hold water??
> --
> Dennis Kramb; dkramb@badbear.com
> Cincinnati, Ohio USA; USDA Zone 6
> http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:08:22 +1100
> From: "Jan's Hotmail" <janclarx@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: PCN: seedlings
>
> I have three PCN seedlings that have just germinated. I live in alkaline NM
> so any suggestions on how I now care for these acid loving babies? Has
> anyone received their seed from SIGNA yet?
>
> I put mine in pots, with a mixture of acid loving plant potting mix, and peat moss. I add 'raindrops' which is a gelatinous water retaining substance, and a bit of camelia food.
> I have also been known to mince well rotted leaves, in my food processor, to add to the mix. These days I don't bother, but a few pine needles or leaf mould for a mulch on top would help.
> I keep mine under a tree in a north (towards the sun) facing aspect, where they get filtered light most of the day. I am in zone 9, and full sun seems to kill them off fairly quickly, unless they are in the garden, with a cool root run.
> Black poly pots absorb a lot of heat.
> Hope that helps,
> Cheers, Jan Clark, Australia
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:49:07 -0700
> From: "Char and Mike at Melba, ID" <charmike1@juno.com>
> Subject: OT-PLANTS: Crocus and misc. Spring Bulbs
>
> Hope this subject tag is ok and please feel free to respond to me at
> charmike1@juno.com
>
> I have some crocus and tulip bulbs that I haven't planted yet. Do they
> all need to be chilled for a specific length of time? Seems like I read
> one time that there are certain bulbs that do not need to be pre cooled
> or chilled? I'm not particular if they are forced early, I just want to
> plant them in pots and put them in a cool dark(?) spot for a while and
> then bring them into the sun room to finish. It's the cooling period I
> can't seem to verify. The bulb company sales girl was not especially
> helpful. Sounds like some of you listers are still planting outside? Our
> ground is frozen down a couple of inches in my garden area. No snow cover
> and usually none dependable so not sure that would be an option. Any
> suggestions or links I could try?
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Char Randall
> Melba, ID 83641 zone 6 ish
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:55:41 -0800
> From: laird.kelly@juno.com
> Subject: Re: OT-CHAT: hypertufa again
>
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:53:15 -0500 Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
> writes:
> > Is it possible to make something like a birdbath out of hypertufa?
> > Will it hold water??
> >
>
> I would expect slightly more seepage than conventional concrete (because
> of the peat) but a water-proof concrete sealer suitable for
> birdbaths/fountains should work fine
>
> ._,
> C(O-O)@ Sholem aleichem laird.kelly@juno.com
> --o00-(_)-00o--------------------------------------------------
> WSU Master Gardener *Team AMiGA* FIDO 1:138/258, 1:18/140
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:21:21 -0800
> From: laird.kelly@juno.com
> Subject: Re: CULT: Bulbous Iris
>
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:38:25 -0500 Bill Shear <wshear@email.hsc.edu>
> writes:
> >
> > >> I haven't personally tried iris in hypertufa but wouldn't expect any
> > >> problems except maybe with bulb iris that don't like lime or with
> > >> water-loving species that like less drainage
> >
> > Which bulbous irises don't like lime?
> >
> >
>
> I. xiphioides ('english iris') is supposed to need acid soil...
> ._,
> C(O-O)@ Sholem aleichem laird.kelly@juno.com
> --o00-(_)-00o--------------------------------------------------
> WSU Master Gardener *Team AMiGA* FIDO 1:138/258, 1:18/140
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:56:00 EST
> From: THEO1415@aol.com
> Subject: Re: OT-PLANTS: Crocus and misc. Spring Bulbs
>
> plant them in pots and chill them then after about 5 or 6 weeks bring them
> slowly into light and warmer temperatures ... it is not too late
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:58:52 EST
> From: claire235@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Re: REB: short report/Natale update
>
> Hi Jan,
>
> Good to hear you sounding so upbeat.
>
> Mail your report to Everett Lineberger- e-mail ELineberg@aol.com.
>
> He's received a few reports so far from our region. My rebloom
> season was not spectacular, already looking forward to better
> results next year if our drought doesn't return.
>
> This has been our coldest winter since I've moved here which was
> 1985, and definitely the coldest December on record here. My
> yard has really suffered. However lots of nice green foliage which
> was replanted into the lagoon. Should present a pretty picture in
> early April.
>
> Claire Honkanen Region V Zone 8/9 and seems like 5. This
> weekend we are expected to have more normal temps.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 04:28:30 -0000
> From: patriciabrooks@coupeville.net
> Subject: Re: COMP: Online Databases
>
> John,
>
> Good to hear that the '99 edition is on its way! Will it exist in
> both print and online? What will the print copy cost? As you say,
> that's an easier reference, though I would consider getting both, the
> search information would be so valuable. You'll let us know when
> it/they are available, won't you?
>
> Patricia Brooks
> Whidbey Island, WA, zone 8?
>
> --- In iris-talk@egroups.com, John Jones <jijones@i...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > patriciabrooks@c... wrote:
> > >
> > > Is it true that the R&I is being indexed to be online? $7 for
> each
> > > and every year becomes prohibitive.
> >
> > and
> >
> > storylade@a... wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, they are; however, the cumulative lists that comes out every
> 10 years
> > > are fairly reasonable and can be carried about much easier. I
> accumulated a
> > > full set through the years and wouldn't do without them. The
> index will be
> > > quick and easy for looking things up, but I'm a hard copy
> person! Already,
> > > I've had problems with the site not working. Books, to read
> online, are not
> > > catching on as people expected so maybe there are more people out
> there like
> > > me.
> >
> > The R&Is are being put online. The '89 is online now, the '79 is
> almost
> > ready. We will put up the '99 after it is ready to go to the
> printer.
> >
> > The already printed ones have to be scanned and converted to text
> then
> > proofed against the book.
> >
> > For the time being access to the database is free. When the '99
> > checklist is added to the '89 and '79 there will be a subscription
> fee
> > of $10.00 per year for full access to all the databases.
> >
> > There is a second database that consists of all the registered iris
> > names from the beginning through and including the '99 R&I. This is
> of
> > great use in either searching for an iris name to find the
> description
> > (saves searching book by book to find an iris) or searching for a
> new
> > name to use for your about to be introduced seedling.
> >
> > Certainly (for the moment in technology time) it is easier to carry
> a
> > book into the garden, to a show etc. and the online database is not
> much
> > better than the book if all you want to do is look up the
> description of
> > a cv (assuming that you know which book to look in). However, the
> > database has a search engine associated with it and allows
> sophisticated
> > word searches including, for instance, looking for a particular cv
> in
> > the ancestry of each iris in the database (that is, each iris for
> which
> > the registrant provided ancestry).
> >
> > It also allows the user to copy the information from the website
> window
> > and paste it into another document - say for a list of irises on
> sale.
> > If you are as slow a typist as I am, that is a definite benefit.
> >
> > Certainly there have been times that the database has not been
> > available, but in my work with it I can say it has been available at
> > least 99% of the time. When accessing a website there are many
> nodes in
> > between that can cause problems. That is not to say that there were
> not
> > times in the early stages when there were problems, but to my
> knowledge
> > all of the problems that have been reported to me have been fixed
> expeditiously.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John | "There be dragons here"
> > | Annotation used by ancient cartographers
> > | to indicate the edge of the known world.
> > ________________________________________________
> >
> > USDA zone 8/9 (coastal, bay)
> > Fremont, California, USA
> > Visit my website at:
> > http://members.home.net/jijones
> >
> > President, Westbay Iris Society
> > Director, Region 14 of the AIS
> > Director, American Iris Society
> > Chairman, AIS Committee for Electronic Member Services
> >
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> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:36:48 -0700
> From: "Jeff and Carolyn Walters" <jcwalters@bridgernet.com>
> Subject: Re: CULT: Bulbous Iris
>
> > From: laird.kelly@juno.com
> > On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:38:25 -0500 Bill Shear <wshear@email.hsc.edu>
> > > Which bulbous irises don't like lime?
> >
> > I. xiphioides ('english iris') is supposed to need acid soil...
>
> Brian Mathew writes in "The Year-Round Bulb Garden" that Spanish, Dutch,
> and English irises all will do perfectly well on alkaline soils. Wouldn't
> English irises be somewhat out of scale in the typical hypertufa container
> garden, anyway?
>
> Jeff Walters in northern Utah (USDA Zone 4/5, Sunset Zone 2, AHS Zone 7)
> jcwalters@bridgernet.com
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:35:43 -0800 (PST)
> From: Billie Jones <billieljones@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: AIS: Regional websites?
>
> Hi Ernie and Debbie
>
> Gosh! I don't know if I will make it this year
> either. I sure would like to hear Ron speak. I had
> the pleasure of meeting him in Arkansas a few years
> ago.
>
> Billie Lynn Jones
> Grenada, MS
>
> --- Earnest Royal <royal2@wk.net> wrote:
> > The phone number for Henry Horton park is
> > 615-364-2222 or toll free
> > 800-250-8612. The date is Feb. 24th and 25th for the
> > Winter Pot Luck. Hope
> > everyone is prepared to have a very good time. I
> > have heard that Ron Mullin
> > is the guest speaker. No one needs to miss this
> > event. He is truly a very
> > entertaining speaker and educator.
> >
> > Earnest Royal
> > royal2@wk.net
> > Kirksey, Ky. USA
> > Zone 6/7
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <storylade@aol.com>
> > To: <iris-talk@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 6:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [iris-talk] AIS: Regional websites?
> >
> >
> > > In a message dated 1/9/2001 3:54:21 PM Central
> > Standard Time,
> > lmann@icx.net
> > > writes:
> > >
> > > << Has anybody gotten the 'official' notice for
> > the potluck yet?
> > > >>
> > >
> > > Linda, I just searched the Fall 2000 edition of
> > the irisarian and can't
> > find
> > > the announcement or number for Henry Horton. It's
> > the 24th and 25th of
> > Feb.
> > >
> > > Betty / Bowling Green KY USA Zone 6
> > > Only those who dare to dream can make a dream come
> > true.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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