Re: Re: HYB:germination rates+

Whenever I'm contemplating first-generation results, I'm reminded of the 
story about George Bernard Shaw, who, it is said, was approached by a woman 
who suggested that they should have a child together.  "With your brains and 
my beauty," she said, "think what we could produce!"  "Yes," replied Shaw, 
"but, on the other hand, what if it should turn out to have my beauty and 
your brains?"  I try to keep this in mind when looking at the pack of dogs 
resulting from a cross of what I considered two thoroughbreds.   It's worth 
considering what happy combinations may be latent in some of those 
disappointing first-generation products if later sibling or cousin crosses 
are tried  --  or backcrosses.  Attached is a pair of puppies from the same 
litter that I'm looking forward to working with.  There were 28 of them, and 
not a single one that is worthy even of registering.  But with a background 
of BLACK FALLS, MOMAUGUIN, MARGARITA and BEST BET, I'm convinced that, 
somewhere down the line, a real beauty will eventually emerge.  --  Griff


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From: <Autmirislvr@aol.com>
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [iris] Re: HYB:germination rates+


> In a message dated 1/19/2006 7:49:17 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> lmann@volfirst.net writes:
>
> <<What part of the 'broader view' am I  missing?>>
> Linda, I don't know that you're missing anything.  Perhaps I was  missing
> something earlier.  Or maybe our goals are so different that it  doesn't 
> really
> matter.
>
> Maybe I can explain it best by showing this picture (attachment)
>
> Little back ground.  Doubt seriously this will ever be  introduced.  See 
> no
> call for another white iris that blooms late and  doesn't rebloom.  This
> seedling is 1/4 Edith Wolford, 1/4 Immortality with  Silverado, Latin 
> Lady, Pledge
> Allegiance & Beau Zam making up the  rest.  The pod parent was a pretty 
> white
> seedling from Edith X  (Silverado x Latin Lady.)  The pollen parent a 
> white
> reblooming  seedling with no distinction.
>
> Frankly, I didn't expect much from this cross and didn't plant it.   The
> seedlings remained in a mum pot for 3 years.  They all died  except the 
> strongest
> 3.  Late this past spring this seedling bloomed in  that mum pot with only
> about 2 inches of soil left in the bottom!  (also  had red seedlings and 
> then
> purple plicata seedling do the same)  Other  iris bloom was gone so I 
> spent more
> time than normal looking at the blooms  on this one stalk.  I think it had 
> 4
> blooms.
>
> Why didn't I plant it when I moved out here, or even last year?  Low
> expectations.  I breed to produce new and exciting rebloomers.  I  didn't 
> expect to
> see anything either new or exciting from this cross! Even  now, much as I 
> like
> this seedling, it's got nothing to excite anyone but  me.
>
> Why do I find it exciting?  Well, it's mine!  <vbg>  But, I see POTENTIAL. 
> I
> look at this and see that I could be just a heart  beat away from 
> something
> really great!  One parent was a pretty little  thing that carries rebloom,
> while the other is an average (but not ugly)  seedling that has rebloomed 
> quite
> well.
>
> The pod parent is already gone, and I was on the verge of trashing the
> pollen parent.  I've gone from looking at the pollen parent (1004-5Re) of 
> this
> seedling as a failure, an also ran if you will, and now I see it as being 
> worthy
> of a another chance as a parent.  I've LOTS of this seedling so  pollen 
> won't
> be a problem!
>
> With the 1812 I've learned many things from the first round (80+) of
> seedlings.  You don't always get what you expect.  Lemon Reflection 
> really does NOT
> carry the plicata gene!  Here's a list of what I got  from the cross. Most
> were tall.
>
> 1)  1 pure med yellow.
> 2)  3 or 4 pale yellow with veining.
> 3)  1 white with a pale lav sheen on opening (similar to the  coloring on
> Immorality) But tall with perfect branches.
> 4)  3 pale lav with darker overlay on the falls.
> 5)  3 or 4 that have a brighter poke berry stain on the falls.   Usually
> veined.
> 6)  1 old gold with rust overlay.  A very pretty rebloomer  but the 
> foliage
> is of small stature and the plant is one of the weaker of  the bunch. 
> Beauty
> is the only thing this one has going for it and I may  not even use it as 
> a
> parent.  It will depend on how the blooms fall!
> 7)  1 pale yellow standards with more golden falls with purple  beards 
> (looks
> blue)
> 9-80)  The rest are some shade of yellow to old gold with some shade  of
> lavender overlay on the falls.
>
> 8)  One more from 1812, and the last I saw bloom.  It has pale  yellow
> standard with cream falls.  Three stalks this fall, great stalks,  etc. 
> Looks the
> least like the rest but one of the top 5 in  potential.  (picture in 
> archives
> 2005 fall)
>
> Linda, I guess what I'm trying to say is that instead of looking  <just> 
> for
> perfect seedlings I'm now looking more for semi-perfect  parents.  <vbg> 
> Does
> that make sense?  The thrill of  the chase?
>
> Most of my seedlings grow well for me.  The ones that  don't either die
> (natural selection) or I dig them and pitch them (Betty  selection)!
>
> Over 1/2 of my crosses contain my seedlings.  This accounts for my 
> improved
> success in seedling (new) survival.  As I make more crosses with  my 
> seedlings
> I have more rebloomers.  A cross like 1812 has well over 50%  rebloom. 
> Even
> seedlings that didn't rebloom are producing reblooming  children.
>
> I'm learning (still) like everyone else.
>
> I guess I'm just having a lot of fun!  Even when I know what I'm going  to
> get like self x plicata (1812) it still lots of fun to actually see the
> theories proven.  And interesting to see that LEMON REFLECTION wasn't 
> carrying
> plicata.  Or it's recessive and didn't come out.  But we'll  see what the 
> other 56
> look like this spring.  Guess I should DO a plicata  cross to see what 
> that 1
> in 36 looks like in the next generation??  Even  more interesting . . . 
> cross
> two half plicatas and see what the OTHER 35 look  like!  More overlays?? 
> What
> happens if I add a half  plicata that's red???    Exciting possibilities!!
>
>
> Back to the tedious stuff.
>
>
>
>
> Make more crosses!  If you don't cross them, you can't   plant them!
>
> Betty W. in South-central KY Zone 6  ---
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