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Yes, we can't fight Facebook. HIPS'
forum used to a very nice forum. Several topical rooms and good
discussions. Website went down end of 2014 due to obsolete
software and we lost about 9 years of content. It was a tragedy.
There was incredible stuff on there. Someone got a temp one back
up, had to resign due to family needs, that site crashed. We were
w/o a forum for maybe 5-5 months? Another person has a site going
based on Wordpress. The site is going and pretty nice. The forum
though is almost dead. People do not wait around, they go
elsewhere and I'm not sure how we get them back.
So I empathize with Bob's concerns. A site can be dead because the
people are elsewhere and stay there out of inertia.
Tell me this: with the software these days, can one site share
content with another? Say AIS has a FB, wiki, and forum. There are
these conversations. Many of us just want what I called elsewhere
a nice quiet place and a book. Why can't that place and FB share
the same threads? The text is just displayed using a different
interface. ?
Shaub
On 1/8/2016 9:17 AM, Robert Pries wrote:
I do agree with Shaub that
diversity allows for people to have what they want. It would be
crazy to fight Facebook. But each of us finds what best suits
our needs. As I said ,I have considered the Forum model and
would be willing to advocate to adding that to our AIS
selections so long as I would not be embarrassed by its lack of
use. I would not consider eliminating Iris Talk but sadly it
seems to have little support anymore and I have no control ober
that decision. Iris Talk is provided by Chris Lindsey who runs
Hort Net. At some point Chris may decide to give up on it if it
does not get the audience. Currently I do not know how he
finances it. Unfortunately the world changes and what some of us
perceive as good things disappear if the rest of the world does
not care. I am not trying to sound an alarm who knows how long
something will last, including the iris society. But if too few
value something it is hard to sustain it.
From: "Shaub Dunkley"
4*@rewrite.hort.net
To: i*@hort.net
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:02:15 PM
Subject: Re: OT-CHAT: [iris] Active?
I was being rather polemical to
see if I could stir up a little conversation. Beating up
that AIS dare use it and that AIS does not have a forum. But
it's true I have close to no experience engaging with
Facebook and don't care for the model. But it has a place
and a function. Not just THE place and THE function. Neither
would a forum be THE place as well. World of Irises brought
in the same.
So Facebook and World of Irises are what they are, I'll not
criticize one's right to enjoy them. But I keep hearing
people say "everybody that used to be here (and with whom we
talked) have gone to Facebook". So I go to Facebook and I
haven't figured out where that conversational equivalent is.
Is it there and I don't know how to find it? Does one have
to Sign Up to get to it? This is all part of the bigger
shift in culture as to how we talk and engage. Iris folks
will on large follow the same behaviors as similar
demographics. More flash, less words. Or if there are words
we make it in snippets and platitudes.
You can lead a horse to water but .... I'm just concerned
people who used to care for discussion are either too busy
or too jaded about the whole thing to talk even if we gave
them the perfect vehicle. It will not be long before some of
our best dialogues will be had with artificial intelligence
that are more excited about the human narrative than the
humans are. Reap as you sow.
Shaub
On 1/7/2016 8:46 PM, Robert Pries wrote:
I totally
agree with everyone so far. I much prefer Iris Talk to
Facebook. But look at where the AIS members are, mostly on
Facebook. A few years ago I asked John how many people are
on Iris Talk. If I remember correctly that was about 80.
Presently we have 4 in this discussion. I can tell you as
a Facebook Administrator a post on Facebook gets at
minimum 80 people viewing it and often it is passed on to
1500 more people. I would not give up on Iris Talk since I
find it easier to communicate ideas. But it seems that is
not what the majority of people wish today. It also seems
most do not wish to be confronted with ideas, pictures
yes, but thoughtful discussion No! It is sort of a new
brand of illiteracy! It is good to hear from Colleen
again!----Bob
From: 0*@rewrite.hort.net
To: i*@hort.net
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:10:08 PM
Subject: Re: OT-CHAT: [iris] Active?
Well, I guess I'm in good company, then. My
thoughts re: Facebook mirror yours, Shaub. Plus I
think the whole "like" business is ridiculous. In no
way do I become a better person if 100 rather than
10 people "like" me.
Just my 2 cents worth,
Dorothy Stiefel
Spencer, NY
P.S. Hi, Linda. You are right. Very long time, no
talk!
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In a message dated 1/6/2016 9:35:08 P.M.
Eastern Standard Time, 4*@rewrite.hort.net
writes:
sigh. I am
one of those people who refuses to use Facebook.
I read the
'terms and conditions' of that dubiously
intentioned place and cannot
understand why people would want their
organization's core discourse to
get sucked into that for-profit black hole. The
central idea is to have
people create content at no cost to Facebook.
Content to promote profit
making. Drifting to the lowest common
denominator - fast-food
'McDonald's' discourse.
--
Bob Pries
Zone 7a
Roxboro, NC
(336)597-8805
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