Re: OT-CHAT: Active?
iris@hort.net
  • Subject: Re: OT-CHAT: Active?
  • From: &* W* <7*@rewrite.hort.net>
  • Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 07:44:55 -0700
It's all about a critical mass of active participants. Any platform that has that will flourish; any that lacks it will dwindle away and eventually die. We may like or dislike particular features, like or dislike a business model, embrace or resist learning something new, but at the end of the day the conversation is where the people are, and the people go to where the conversation is.
 
If anyone is not familiar with forums and wants to get a feel for how they work, have a look at the Scottish Rock Garden Club forum. I believe this is where the most active forum-based iris discussions are happening at the moment.
 
Tom
 
 
Tom Waters
Telperion Oasis ~ www.telp.com/irises
Cuyamungue, New Mexico, USA (zone 6)
 
From: "Robert Pries" <101p@rewrite.hort.net>
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 7:20 AM
To: iris@hort.net
Subject: Re: OT-CHAT: [iris] Active?
 
I do agree with Shaub that diversity allows for people to have what they want. It would be crazy to fight Facebook. But each of us finds what best suits our needs. As I said ,I have considered the Forum model and would be willing to advocate to adding that to our AIS selections so long as I would not be embarrassed by its lack of use. I would not consider eliminating Iris Talk but sadly it seems to have little support anymore and I have no control ober that decision. Iris Talk is provided by Chris Lindsey who runs Hort Net. At some point Chris may decide to give up on it if it does not get the audience. Currently I do not know how he finances it. Unfortunately the world changes and what some of us perceive as good things disappear if the rest of the world does not care. I am not trying to sound an alarm who knows how long something will last, including the iris society. But if too few value something it is hard to sustain it.
 
From: "Shaub Dunkley" <4390a9e81@rewrite.hort.net>
To: iris@hort.net
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:02:15 PM
Subject: Re: OT-CHAT: [iris] Active?
 
I was being rather polemical to see if I could stir up a little conversation. Beating up that AIS dare use it and that AIS does not have a forum. But it's true I have close to no experience engaging with Facebook and don't care for the model. But it has a place and a function. Not just THE place and THE function. Neither would a forum be THE place as well. World of Irises brought in the same.

So Facebook and World of Irises are what they are, I'll not criticize one's right to enjoy them. But  I keep hearing people say "everybody that used to be here (and with whom we talked) have gone to Facebook". So I go to Facebook and I haven't figured out where that conversational equivalent is. Is it there and I don't know how to find it? Does one have to Sign Up to get to it? This is all part of the bigger shift in culture as to how we talk and engage. Iris folks will on large follow the same behaviors as similar demographics. More flash, less words. Or if there are words we make it in snippets and platitudes.

You can lead a horse to water but ....  I'm just concerned people who used to care for discussion are either too busy or too jaded about the whole thing to talk even if we gave them the perfect vehicle. It will not be long before some of our best dialogues will be had with artificial intelligence that are more excited about the human narrative than the humans are. Reap as you sow.

Shaub
On 1/7/2016 8:46 PM, Robert Pries wrote:
I totally agree with everyone so far. I much prefer Iris Talk to Facebook. But look at where the AIS members are, mostly on Facebook. A few years ago I asked John how many people are on Iris Talk. If I remember correctly that was about 80. Presently we have 4 in this discussion. I can tell you as a Facebook Administrator a post on Facebook gets at minimum 80 people viewing it and often it is passed on to 1500 more people. I would not give up on Iris Talk since I find it easier to communicate ideas. But it seems that is not what the majority of people wish today. It also seems most do not wish to be confronted with ideas, pictures yes, but thoughtful discussion No! It is sort of a new brand of illiteracy! It is good to hear from Colleen again!----Bob
 
From: 0*@rewrite.hort.net
To: i*@hort.net
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 6:10:08 PM
Subject: Re: OT-CHAT: [iris] Active?
 
Well, I guess I'm in good company, then. My thoughts re: Facebook mirror yours, Shaub. Plus I think the whole "like" business is ridiculous. In no way do I become a better person if 100 rather than 10 people "like" me.
 
Just my 2 cents worth,
Dorothy Stiefel
Spencer, NY 
 
P.S. Hi, Linda. You are right. Very long time, no talk!
 
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In a message dated 1/6/2016 9:35:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 4*@rewrite.hort.net writes:
sigh. I am one of those people who refuses to use Facebook. I read the
'terms and conditions' of that dubiously intentioned place and cannot
understand why people would want their organization's core discourse to
get sucked into that for-profit black hole. The central idea is to have
people create content at no cost to Facebook. Content to promote profit
making. Drifting to the lowest common denominator - fast-food
'McDonald's' discourse.



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