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- Subject: Re: Possible platform for iris-groups if you wanted to move or add
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- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 06:56:02 -0500 (EST)
Because I have talked about alternate venues does not mean that I would discontinue anything that is at present. I do not have the power or desire to do so. As the number of possibilities has increased the participation in all groups goes down. As I stated earlier, Hort-net is my favorite venue. But realistically there is a need for a members group for all the Iris sections. But again when they all do this independently it dissipates the participation in any one group. I do not even know how many list-serves I am on anymore, but most are not that active. As president of the Aril Society International I have currently an unresolved problem with the arilrobin, a yahoo group. No one may join because both administrators died. Yahoo has been terrible at trying to let us fix this and just getting to speak to someone has been a huge task. Sadly I am told one of my helpers finally got through but when yahoo wanted money to fix the problem they refused on principal. I would have gladly paid out of my own pocket but now we are still at square one. Sometimes it seems impossible to accomplish anything. Whenever people gather together there will be disagreements. In the spirit of democracy we are supposed to be able to tolerate that. I not sure we ever get that thick skinned, but we just have to accept that with different points of view we may still all be working toward what we perceive as the common good and should not personalize our arguments. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gesine Lohr" <f2945df91@rewrite.hort.net> To: "Iris Hort" <iris@hort.net>, iris-digest@hort.net, "Gesine Lohr" <gesine.lohr@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 7:48:23 PM Subject: [iris] Possible platform for iris-groups if you wanted to move or add Hi iris talk folks, 1) I've run a large yahoo group for about 14 years, around 3,200 members, and run several smaller ones. The forced-advent of ikky neo-yahoo format, several years ago, decimated most yahoo groups, with message frequency drastically dropping off, people leaving groups. A number of people have been trying stuff out/researching, possible platforms to move groups to -- https://groups.io/ Groups.io is a platform that a number of group owners/moderators are starting to use. 2) I very very very strongly hope that non-AIS iris discussion groups continue! Many folks would never think of joining a flower organization, but might find an iris discussion group online. (I'd grown up with iris, but until I heard Roger Nelson talking about HIPS, I'd never even thought of joining an iris organization) And these need to be FREE, you don't have to subscribe to any organization -- 3) I don't think facebook is ever going to be similar to a group that does/wants in-depth discussion -- yep, some folks give various examples, but facebook pushes towards short/definite/. On facebook, you'll always be fighting the design of the platform. 4) I've seen some iris folks say they want iris discussion groups where there can be detail, but quite a number of time on the old HIPS forum, when I'd spend an hour trying to write-up some reply to questions, some person or couple of people would diss me -- and I could never get any leadership in HIPS to counter that. And several folks told me, they quit going to that forum, after that. SO -- I think it's important that people who are running/leading groups, show leadership, and support/encourage depth. We've seen this kind of back-and-forth for years, in cat rescue groups -- in many groups that were not well run, any type of detailed discussion/debate, was jumped on -- someone here I think mentioned usenet -- What we've seen that works well, is for people running a group, to model the type of discussion/detail they'd like to see, and to moderate anyone who was being a jerk. Iris-talk has had great amounts of detail over the years, thank you!! 5) I don't think one needs to complicate things too much -- don't need a PR specialist, really! 6) Having freely-available information -- I think http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Hist/ArticlesOnHistoricIris is really excellent, don't have to be a member to see this -- I wish it were easier for random people to find -- Good luck all! Gesine --------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off this list, send email to majordomo@hort.net with the message text UNSUBSCRIBE IRIS -- Bob Pries Zone 7a Roxboro, NC (336)597-8805 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off this list, send email to majordomo@hort.net with the message text UNSUBSCRIBE IRIS
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