Re: Digest Number 1609
- Subject: Re: [iris-talk] Digest Number 1609
- From: t*
- Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:59:06 -0600
To Whom It May Concern:
Due to drought conditions the rhizomes from Riverview Iris Garden will be
somewhat smaller this year than in previous years. Some plants are handling
the drought conditions better than others.
Tony and Irene
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Subject: [iris-talk] Digest Number 1609
> There are 25 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. RE: HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom; Larry Gaulter vrs. Titan's Glory
> From: "Cliff Snyder" <rainbowiris@att.net>
> 2. Re: HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom
> From: "Mike Sutton" <suttons@lightspeed.net>
> 3. Re: HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom
> From: Randy Squires <randysiris@juno.com>
> 4. CAT: Sutton's
> From: melanie-tornberg@idexx.com
> 5. RE: Iris help
> From: John Reeds <jreeds@microsensors.com>
> 6. RE: HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom; Larry Gaulter vrs. Tita n's Glory
> From: John Reeds <jreeds@microsensors.com>
> 7. RE: TRADE: looking for MARSCAY
> From: GardnrJan1@aol.com
> 8. Re: HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom
> From: storylade@aol.com
> 9. Re: HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom
> From: storylade@aol.com
> 10. Re: CAT: Sutton's
> From: John Jones <jijones@usjoneses.com>
> 11. Mavica
> From: Debi Schmitt <otisbird@fix.net>
> 12. Re: HYB: Seed Developement
> From: cgdawn@cs.com
> 13. Re: Iris help
> From: "MARVIN EDWARDS" <fjmjedwards@worldnet.att.net>
> 14. Re: Re: HYB: Seed Developement
> From: "robert stewart" <crusher4@wnclink.com>
> 15. Re: HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom
> From: neilm@charter.net
> 16. CULT: Use of Manure
> From: arilbredbreeder@cs.com
> 17. Re: Companion Plants
> From: dave2943@yahoo.com
> 18. Re: [Cult] ? Iris help
> From: gmbeasle@aol.com
> 19. Re: CULT: Use of Manure
> From: Linda Mann <lmann@icx.net>
> 20. Re: HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom
> From: "wmoores" <wmoores@watervalley.net>
> 21. Re: HYB: Seed Developement
> From: cgdawn@cs.com
> 22. Re: CAT: Sutton's
> From: cgdawn@cs.com
> 23. Re: TB:CAT:TRADE: Clansman
> From: Randy Squires <randysiris@juno.com>
> 24. Re: OT:pests
> From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
> 25. AD: TRADES: New List
> From: irisman@bellsouth.net
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:02:42 -0500
> From: "Cliff Snyder" <rainbowiris@att.net>
> Subject: RE: HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom; Larry Gaulter vrs. Titan's Glory
>
> Marvin,
>
> Ditto on the Larry Gaulter opinion. We like Titan's Glory too, but LG is a
> better grower here in Texas.
>
> Cliff Snyder
> Bartlett, Tx
> www.rainbowfarms.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MARVIN EDWARDS [f*@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 7:35 PM
> To: iris-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [iris-talk] HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom; Larry Gaulter vrs.
> Titan's Glory
>
>
> Walter, I have not grown Titan's Glory, but from what I have seen of it in
> other gardens, Larry Gaulter exceeds it in form and beauty. I had a
chance
> to see them blooming in the same vicinity at Cooley's Garden this May. My
> son and I both concluded that Larry Gaulter seemed much the better iris.
It
> was the same deep blue violet color but larger, more ruffled, more diamond
> dusted, and made a more floriferous clump. I won my first best of show
> with Larry Gaulter, and it was in competition with Titan's Glory. Also,
> it grows well here in the hot country.
> Francelle Edwards Glendale, AZ Zone 9
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wmoores
> To: Randy Squires ; iris-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 2:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [iris-talk] HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom
>
>
>
>
> Randy,
>
> Congratulations on this cross. I have never set seed on RF and she
> has never had any pollen for me. Feedback is a great rebloomer,
> sometimes an everbloomer when the weather cooperates. Let's hope you
> get an everblooming RF type that looks like one of the grandparents
> TITAN'S GLORY. Feedback has refused to give me anything worth
> keeping even with SILVERADO. I finally got rid of three S x F
> seedlings after growing them about eight years and never seeing any
> rebloom whatsoever on any of them. They had respectable form but
> just an ordinary reddish violet color.
>
> Walter Moores
> Enid Lake, MS USA 7/8 (In the center of the Great Mississippi Desert)
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:16:19 -0700
> From: "Mike Sutton" <suttons@lightspeed.net>
> Subject: Re: HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom
>
> I agree, Silverado seems to really put the clamps on rebloom. If you get
> into the second generation it (rebloom) comes through better. I was lucky
> with a Silverado X Mother Earth cross that kicked out a few nice
rebloomers,
> but that is about it.
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> > In a message dated 7/12/2001 5:06:32 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > wmoores@watervalley.net writes:
> >
> > << Feedback has refused to give me anything worth
> > keeping even with SILVERADO. >>
> >
> > This cross gave me SILVERADO look alikes but no rebloom. I've about
> decided
> > that S carries a rebloom inhibitor. What say yall? I've had lovely
whites
> > from S with IMMORTALITY, but no rebloom. Is it possible that such an
> > inhibitor exists?
> >
> > Betty / Bowling Green KY USA Zone 6
> > Only those who dare to dream can make a dream come true.
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:37:07 -0700
> From: Randy Squires <randysiris@juno.com>
> Subject: Re: HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom
>
> <wmoores@watervalley.net> writes:
> > I have never set seed on RF and she
> > has never had any pollen for me.
>
> Walter,
> Rosalie Figge never has had pollen for me either.
> I like the idea behind your Silverado X Feedback
> cross, Silverado form and everbloom from Feedback.
> And Betty's Silverado with Immortality.
> You would think some on the offspring would
> rebloom using such strong rebloomers as a parent,
> I guess a rebloomer cross in the next generation
> would get it for sure.
> Randy Squires
> southern california
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:53:37 -0000
> From: melanie-tornberg@idexx.com
> Subject: CAT: Sutton's
>
> I loaned a friend my Sutton's Catalog, but since I had torn out the
> order form when I sent in my own order(and, I guess, took out crucial
> info!)and the web site is down, she's got an order to place and would
> like to know ordering details. Could someone send me the FAX and/or
> phone # and/or address? I'm not sure if she knows how much to
> include for shipping, etc.
>
> Thanks bunches,
> Melanie Tornberg
> South Berwick, ME Zone 4/5
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:57:08 -0700
> From: John Reeds <jreeds@microsensors.com>
> Subject: RE: Iris help
>
> I only once used a significant amount of steer manure in an iris bed.
> Almost everything rotted out. It was way too hot from decomposition,
loaded
> with nasty bacteria, and salty to the point of stressing the iris. Maybe
> someone else has had different experiences, but I will never again use
steer
> manure on my iris.
>
> John Reeds
>
> > ----------
> > From: dalonzi35@yahoo.com[SMTP:dalonzi35@yahoo.com]
> > Reply To: iris-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 6:15 PM
> > To: iris-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [iris-talk] Iris help
> >
> > Hi. I bought some bare root Irises online and after planting the
> > cuttings most of them have their leaves turning brown from the tips
> > And others have had full leaves die back, are they ding out? The soil
> > is a mixture of topsoil and composted cow manure...
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > DA.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:03:50 -0700
> From: John Reeds <jreeds@microsensors.com>
> Subject: RE: HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom; Larry Gaulter vrs. Tita n's Glory
>
> Another agreement here. Larry is the best deep purple iris I know,
despite
> some tendency to rot. It grows well enough to outpace the rot losses. is
> big, tall, well-branched, dependable, and very ruffled. I have some
sprouts
> from a cross with Honky Tonk Blues right now.
>
> John Reeds, in sunny southern California
>
> > Marvin,
> >
> > Ditto on the Larry Gaulter opinion. We like Titan's Glory too, but LG is
a
> > better grower here in Texas.
> >
> > Cliff Snyder
> > Bartlett, Tx
> >
> > Walter, I have not grown Titan's Glory, but from what I have seen of it
in
> > other gardens, Larry Gaulter exceeds it in form and beauty. I had a
> > chance
> > to see them blooming in the same vicinity at Cooley's Garden this May.
My
> > son and I both concluded that Larry Gaulter seemed much the better iris.
> > Also,
> > it grows well here in the hot country.
> > Francelle Edwards Glendale, AZ Zone 9
> >
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:51:58 EDT
> From: GardnrJan1@aol.com
> Subject: RE: TRADE: looking for MARSCAY
>
> Hi all,
> this one fascinates me, and can't find it...anyone have some I could
> trade for? These are SDB's/IB's I have to trade:
> HE'S A PIRATE
> FURIOSO
> GURU
> GOLDEN GLOVES
> SEADANCER
> DARK CRYSTAL
> STAR OF AFRICA
> Reply privately if you would
> Janet Natale
> zone 8 of Sc, Myrtle Beach
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:42:09 EDT
> From: storylade@aol.com
> Subject: Re: HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom
>
> In a message dated 7/13/2001 8:34:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
> suttons@lightspeed.net writes:
>
> << Silverado X Mother Earth >>
>
> Marily Harlow Maryott is introducing a seedling from this combination this
> year, but no rebloom on it.
>
> Betty / Bowling Green KY USA Zone 6
> Only those who dare to dream can make a dream come true.
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:50:49 EDT
> From: storylade@aol.com
> Subject: Re: HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom
>
> In a message dated 7/13/2001 8:55:21 AM Central Daylight Time,
> randysiris@juno.com writes:
>
> << Silverado form and everbloom from Feedback.
> And Betty's Silverado with Immortality. >>
>
> I have about 25 to 30 seedlings from 2000, along this line, that I'm
anxious
> to see bloom.
> 2000-2: (Silverado x Immortality) X (Bridge In Time x (Feedback x Titan's
> Glory))
> I've planted these into individual pots and I'm pushing them with the hope
of
> seeing bloom in 2001. (Linda?) I'll plant them out later when the bed
(here)
> is ready. One already has increase and I'm seeing good plant form on
most.
> For those that don't know Bridge In Time is Glistening Icicle X
Immortality.
>
> Mike, I have high hopes that you are right about rebloom returning in
later
> generations for Silverado seedlings.
>
> Betty / Bowling Green KY USA Zone 6
> Only those who dare to dream can make a dream come true.
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:28:22 -0700
> From: John Jones <jijones@usjoneses.com>
> Subject: Re: CAT: Sutton's
>
> You can call Suttons at 559-784-9011
>
> John
>
> melanie-tornberg@idexx.com wrote:
> >
> > I loaned a friend my Sutton's Catalog, but since I had torn out the
> > order form when I sent in my own order(and, I guess, took out crucial
> > info!)and the web site is down, she's got an order to place and would
> > like to know ordering details. Could someone send me the FAX and/or
> > phone # and/or address? I'm not sure if she knows how much to
> > include for shipping, etc.
> >
> > Thanks bunches,
> > Melanie Tornberg
> > South Berwick, ME Zone 4/5
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:28:19 -0700
> From: Debi Schmitt <otisbird@fix.net>
> Subject: Mavica
>
> I got this information from a friend of mine about the Mavica. He takes
> wonderful digital pictures.
>
> He said, Don't use a flash and shoot outside with diffused lighting or
> better yet, make a light box.
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:05:15 -0000
> From: cgdawn@cs.com
> Subject: Re: HYB: Seed Developement
>
> --- In iris-talk@y..., tmilchh@a... wrote:
> > Dear Dean Gray,
> > Would you like my bee pods? I can tell you the pod parent but
> not the
> > pollen parent. I have quite a few pods & do not have space to grow
> any
> > seedlings. I live in zone 5/6 & can give you a list of the pod
> parents. They
> > have not been harvested yet.
> > Let me know if you want these seeds.
> > Annette <TMilchh@a...>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Hi Annette,
>
> Thank you so much for your kind offer. I thought I sent you a reply
> yesterday but I guess it went into the wild blue yonder or off into
> outer space. Are your seed pods TB's? Your offer is very generous
> and I would gladly accept this wonderful gift if they are. I don't
> like to look a gift horse in the face but my space (back yard) is
> very limited and therefore I must make choices. Please contact me
> privately at cgdawn@cs.com and let me know your address or the rest
> of your email address.
>
> Warmest Regards,
> Dean Gray. Zone 5
> On the mouth of the Meramec and mighty Mississippi rivers in Mo. USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:25:19 -0700
> From: "MARVIN EDWARDS" <fjmjedwards@worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Re: Iris help
>
> That's been my experience too.
> Francelle Edwards.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Reeds
> To: 'iris-talk@yahoogroups.com'
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:57 AM
> Subject: RE: [iris-talk] Iris help
>
>
> I only once used a significant amount of steer manure in an iris bed.
> Almost everything rotted out. It was way too hot from decomposition,
loaded
> with nasty bacteria, and salty to the point of stressing the iris.
Maybe
> someone else has had different experiences, but I will never again use
steer
> manure on my iris.
>
> John Reeds
>
> > ----------
> > From: dalonzi35@yahoo.com[SMTP:dalonzi35@yahoo.com]
> > Reply To: iris-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 6:15 PM
> > To: iris-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [iris-talk] Iris help
> >
> > Hi. I bought some bare root Irises online and after planting the
> > cuttings most of them have their leaves turning brown from the tips
> > And others have had full leaves die back, are they ding out? The soil
> > is a mixture of topsoil and composted cow manure...
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > DA.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:21:09 -0400
> From: "robert stewart" <crusher4@wnclink.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: HYB: Seed Developement
>
> Hi Dean,
>
> I would like a list of your seed pods. I live in zone 7 and think they
would do great here. Send you plants later from pretty ones. Some are duds
if you know what I mean. Thanks for offering them.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cgdawn@cs.com
> To: iris-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 3:05 PM
> Subject: [iris-talk] Re: HYB: Seed Developement
>
>
> --- In iris-talk@y..., tmilchh@a... wrote:
> > Dear Dean Gray,
> > Would you like my bee pods? I can tell you the pod parent but
> not the
> > pollen parent. I have quite a few pods & do not have space to grow
> any
> > seedlings. I live in zone 5/6 & can give you a list of the pod
> parents. They
> > have not been harvested yet.
> > Let me know if you want these seeds.
> > Annette <TMilchh@a...>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Hi Annette,
>
> Thank you so much for your kind offer. I thought I sent you a reply
> yesterday but I guess it went into the wild blue yonder or off into
> outer space. Are your seed pods TB's? Your offer is very generous
> and I would gladly accept this wonderful gift if they are. I don't
> like to look a gift horse in the face but my space (back yard) is
> very limited and therefore I must make choices. Please contact me
> privately at cgdawn@cs.com and let me know your address or the rest
> of your email address.
>
> Warmest Regards,
> Dean Gray. Zone 5
> On the mouth of the Meramec and mighty Mississippi rivers in Mo. USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:08:08 -0000
> From: neilm@charter.net
> Subject: Re: HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom
>
> --- In iris-talk@y..., storylade@a... wrote:
> " << Silverado X Mother Earth >> Marilyn Harlow Maryott is
> introducing a seedling from this combination this year, but no
> rebloom on it."
>
> Marilyn's introduction is named MAID OF AVALON. I glad to have it on
> order--the luminous lilac or orchid color --and the pedigree-- caught
> my attention immediately when I noted MAID some months ago.
>
> Mike Sutton went on to comment that rebloom does occur in second
> generation descendents of SILVERADO. They have a 2001 reblooming
> intro named RETURN TO INNOCENCE (which appears in the catalog as "OF"
> instead of "TO" by error) from this sort of breeding. The other
> parents involved are SA's and RE's. The photo posted both on their
> site and on the back cover of the catalog suggests RTI has both
> extravagant ruffles and lovely form.
>
> With SILVERADO this all suggests either persistence, good fortune or
> both may be necessary. But isn't that true in all iris breeding?
>
> Neil Mogensen z 6b/7a near Asheville, NC where first TB pods are
> starting to split--seed counts appear normal.
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:21:28 EDT
> From: arilbredbreeder@cs.com
> Subject: CULT: Use of Manure
>
> In a message dated 7/13/01 9:11:24 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> jreeds@microsensors.com writes:
>
> << I only once used a significant amount of steer manure in an iris bed.
> Almost everything rotted out. It was way too hot from decomposition,
loaded
> with nasty bacteria, and salty to the point of stressing the iris. Maybe
> someone else has had different experiences, but I will never again use
steer
> manure on my iris. >>
>
> It's not the type of manure as much as its condition and how it is
applied.
> I've noticed a communications chasm [not just 'gap'] between those of us
who
> learned gardening the old-fashioned way and those who grew up in the
> commercial fertilizer age.
>
> One post isn't going to solve the problem, of course, but I'm going to
> attempt to partially bridge this gap with a bit of backstory. When I was
> growing up, my family had a dairy and also kept pigs and chickens -- so
would
> never have "wasted money" on commercial fertilizer. After I was out on my
> own and learned how to test my soil, though, I came to use both and
> appreciate their relative advantages and disadvantages. [If you want to
> fast-forward to my practical advice for using manure, just scroll to the
end
> of this message!]
>
>
> First, to explain the old-fashioned approach:
>
> When pig manure was cleaned out of the pen, it was simply left in small
piles
> to decompose. This was blackjack country, and the pigpen was always
placed
> where neighboring trees could provide shade. Pokeweed, which is something
> like spinach, was native to these woodlands. A staple to some, a
nostaligic
> treat to others, it was certainly in demand. By the time I was old enough
to
> "hunt poke", there were a number of clumps near the new pigpen -- but the
> area around the old one had the largest and best stand in the entire area.
I
> offer this as an example of the effect of manure that has been left to
> decompose without attention or interference for a number of years.
>
> Cleaning the chicken roost was certainly a regular requirement. Most of
the
> year, the manure was simply left where it fell -- in a long row next to
the
> chicken house. Each fall, however, cleaning started with removing the
old,
> decomposed manure and scattering it around the trees in the adjoining
> orchard. The scattering process itself shattered the dried manure and
winter
> rains would dissolve it, forming a natural "manure tea" so by spring there
> was little trace of the top-dressing. Undoubtedly this was a matter of
> convenience, not an indication that chicken manure is the best possible
> fertilizer for fruit trees!
>
> Of course, with the dairy, cattle manure was the most plentiful so it was
> used on both the vegetable garden and flower beds.
>
> In the vegetable garden, AGED manure was applied as a top-dressing after
each
> fall's killing frost. In the perennial border [asparagus, blackberries,
and
> rhubarb] it was simply left to decompose like the chicken manure in the
> orchard. In the garden itself, it was tilled into the soil along with the
> dead annuals. The flower beds got the same treatment as the perennial
> vegetables: AGED, manure particles.
>
> For the top-dressed areas, if a cow patty had somehow managed to hold its
> form through the double-shoveling process it was suspect. If it didn't
> shatter satisfactorily when hit with the tines of a rake, it was outa
there.
> YES, I've had to go back and shovel more manure because the first batch
was
> too fresh. [Not exactly the image you have of me if you know about my
career
> in the space program, is it?]
>
>
> Second, a look at commercial fertilizers:
>
> Their advantage is clear: labeling in terms of nutrient ratio. Their
> disadvantage is that none supply all of a garden's needs. Used in
conjuction
> with soil testing, they can certainly improve performance. Applied
> indiscriminately, they may be ineffective or even harmful.
>
>
> For the commercial operation, we used both. I'll skip the details,
because
> they are in the archives.....
>
>
> NOW -- to get back to the specific effect of manure on iris:
>
> If it was too hot and still had bacteria in it, it was simply too fresh.
Not
> ready for fall top-dressing of a dormant asparagus bed -- much less for
use
> in a bed of fall-planted iris. Well-composted manure is dry and crumbles
> easily. It mixes readily with soil, and the resultant product feels and
> smells like good loam. If it smells like something you wouldn't want to
> stick your bare hand in, your iris won't like it either!
>
> "Steer manure" suggests that it came out of a bag -- a by-product of a
feeder
> lot, dry enough to sack but not necessarily composted. Most of this stuff
> can be treated like dry manure you shoveled yourself, but if you want to
use
> it as top-dressing you really do need to test it to determine how far
along
> it is in decomposition. Dump the sack into a wheelbarrow. Wet it down.
If
> it still smells like manure, do NOT use it for top-dressing or till it
into
> the topsoil. Add it to your compost heap, use it to make manure tea, or
dump
> it on the edge of your garden and let it age some more.
>
> In this case, though, the key word may be "on". Yes, each fall my
> grandmother top-dressed her perennial beds with aged manure. In that
> climate, with iris from the diploid era, it worked. Winter rains
gradually
> dissolved the manure particles and washed their nutrients down into the
root
> zone and, by spring, the manure had simply disappeared.
>
> BUT -- if you put manure that hasn't reached the aged-to-powder,
> doesn't-smell-like-manure stage ON the iris rather than UNDER them, the
roots
> can't take advantage of its nutrients and the rhizomes may be damaged by
its
> water-holding capacity.
>
>
> For the proverbial "Bottom Line", I've found that:
>
> 1. Soil-testing is vital for the serious grower. It's important to feed
the
> SOIL, not just the plant. If the soil is healthy, iris will thrive.
Advice
> like using superphosphate to produce more bloom or potash to promote
increase
> just shows you how to tweak things in the direction you want IF your basic
> conditions are already balanced. If your soil is NOT balances, some
> deficiencies are best treated with manure, others with chemical
fertilizers.
>
> 2. Any manure is most effective when incorporated into the root zone and
the
> rhizome-layer [roughly the top 4 inches of the soil] remains both manure-
and
> fertilizer-free.
>
> 3. Horse manure is more effective for iris than any other type of manure
or
> specific commercial fertilizer -- but it isn't perfect. Steer manure will
> do, if you don't have access to horses. By testing old, manure-treated
soil,
> I've found that commercial fertilizers CAN be used to compensate for
> remaining deficiencies.
>
> 4. Commercial fertilizers can add nutrients, but don't affect the tilth
of
> the soil. If that's the real problem, you need to add organic matter and
> well-aged manure is one of the best sources.
>
> Sharon McAllister
> Southern New Mexico, where manure can still be shoveled from corrals!
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:43:33 -0000
> From: dave2943@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Companion Plants
>
> Patriot and So Sweet have been good for me from the newer ones.
> Royal Standard does better with some shade but is surviving and
> flowering, it tends to wilt in the afternoon sun.
> I think it is albomarginata contorta but not positive, has been o.k
> in three quarter sun
> Junipers are good shrubs because they can get by with very little
> water and love the sun. They can also be pruned to keep them from
> wandering. Blue Star is one that is particularly nice.
> --- In iris-talk@y..., Paul Tyerman <ptyerman@o...> wrote:
> > At 11:19 11/07/01 -0000, you wrote:
> > > just came back from a walk in the gardens and have the following
> to
> > > add, liatris (any colour) and hosta (there are lots of sun
> tolerant
> > > species)
> > > Eastern Ontario just north of Kingston
> > >
> >
> > Didn't know there were sun tolerant hostas? What species are sun
> tolerant?
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Paul Tyerman
> > Canberra, Australia. USDA equivalent - Zone 8
> > p*@o...
> >
> > Growing.... Galanthus, Erythroniums, Fritillarias, Crocus,
> Cyrtanthus,
> > Liliums, Hellebores, Aroids, Irises plus just about anything else
> that
> > doesn't move!!!!!
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:04:19 EDT
> From: gmbeasle@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Cult] ? Iris help
>
> In a message dated 7/13/01 11:26:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> jreeds@microsensors.com writes:
>
> >
> > I only once used a significant amount of steer manure in an iris bed.
> > Almost everything rotted out. It was way too hot from decomposition,
> loaded
> > with nasty bacteria, and salty to the point of stressing the iris.
Maybe
> > someone else has had different experiences, but I will never again use
> steer
> > manure on my iris.
>
> I think this would be true of any fresh manure. You need to have what is
> referred to as 'well rotten' manure, and don't put it right on the iris
but
> make them reach for it. I don't think it matters if it is steer manure,
bull
> manure, cow manure, horse manure, pig manure, chicken manure or what kind
> (although pig is a little more odiferous).
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:53:58 -0400
> From: Linda Mann <lmann@icx.net>
> Subject: Re: CULT: Use of Manure
>
> I would add one bit of my own experience to Sharon's excellent post
> about using manure:
>
> Just as an experiment, I piled about a 6 inch thick layer, 3 ft wide, of
> fresh horse poop (not manure from bedding, which contains urine, but
> fresh poop out of the driveway where the inconsiderate horse left it) to
> both sides of an ~3 ft wide double row of irises several years ago and
> had some of the best growth & bloom I've seen here. In my case, the
> thick layer of decomposing muck probably kept the soil cool, provided
> more consistant moisture for lateral iris roots than is usual in my
> gravelly soil, and gradually released nutrients, as well as attracting a
> lot of earthworms. I would love to be able to do this between all my
> iris rows some year.
>
> Just for the heck of it (being sceptical of all 'truths'), I also put
> some of this same fresh poop on top of three rhizomes each of three
> different cultivars - they did NOT like that one bit, tho some survived
> & outlasted the manure burial. Most rotted.
>
> Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:59:50 -0500
> From: "wmoores" <wmoores@watervalley.net>
> Subject: Re: HYB:FEEDBACK for rebloom
>
>
>
> Walter,
> Rosalie Figge never has had pollen for me either.
> I like the idea behind your Silverado X Feedback
> cross, Silverado form and everbloom from Feedback.
> And Betty's Silverado with Immortality.
> You would think some on the offspring would
> rebloom using such strong rebloomers as a parent,
> I guess a rebloomer cross in the next generation
> would get it for sure.
> Randy Squires
> southern california
>
>
> I tried my three Silverado X Feedback
> children with Anxious and Total Recall.
> Nary a rebloomer in the lot. Seems
> strange since A and TR can be
> everbloomers in favorable seasons. S
> may have the 'dominant inhibitor' for rebloom!
>
> Walter Moores
> Enid Lake, MS USA 7/8 (3 inches of rainfall
> on the Great Mississippi desert last night)
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:44:06 -0000
> From: cgdawn@cs.com
> Subject: Re: HYB: Seed Developement
>
> --- In iris-talk@y..., "robert stewart" <crusher4@w...> wrote:
> > Dear Robert,
> I am Dean Gray but I do not have the seed pods in question. I was
> answering a post (# 28718) made by TMilchh@a.. last wed. Her name is
> Annette and she has the extra "Bee Pods" that was offered to me. I
> am only interested in TB's and have not heard back from her after my
> post. However, she has plenty and I'm sure if you go back a page and
> find post #28718 and reply to it, she would offer you some also.
> Good luck.
>
> Regards, Dean Gray
> Zone 5
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Dean,
> >
> > I would like a list of your seed pods. I live in zone 7 and think
> they would do great here. Send you plants later from pretty ones.
> Some are duds if you know what I mean. Thanks for offering them.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: cgdawn@c...
> > To: iris-talk@y...
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 3:05 PM
> > Subject: [iris-talk] Re: HYB: Seed Developement
> >
> >
> > --- In iris-talk@y..., tmilchh@a... wrote:
> > > Dear Dean Gray,
> > > Would you like my bee pods? I can tell you the pod parent
> but
> > not the
> > > pollen parent. I have quite a few pods & do not have space to
> grow
> > any
> > > seedlings. I live in zone 5/6 & can give you a list of the pod
> > parents. They
> > > have not been harvested yet.
> > > Let me know if you want these seeds.
> > > Annette <TMilchh@a...>
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > Hi Annette,
> >
> > Thank you so much for your kind offer. I thought I sent you a
> reply
> > yesterday but I guess it went into the wild blue yonder or off
> into
> > outer space. Are your seed pods TB's? Your offer is very
> generous
> > and I would gladly accept this wonderful gift if they are. I
> don't
> > like to look a gift horse in the face but my space (back yard) is
> > very limited and therefore I must make choices. Please contact
> me
> > privately at cgdawn@c... and let me know your address or the rest
> > of your email address.
> >
> > Warmest Regards,
> > Dean Gray. Zone 5
> > On the mouth of the Meramec and mighty Mississippi rivers in Mo.
> USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:00:14 -0000
> From: cgdawn@cs.com
> Subject: Re: CAT: Sutton's
>
> --- In iris-talk@y..., melanie-tornberg@i... wrote:
> > Dear Melanie,
> Suttons temporary address is http://209.240.137.218/order.htm
> The shipping cost for 9 plants is &6.00. You will have to
> refer to the above for addictional information. Hope to have
> been of some help.
>
> Regards, Dean Gray
> Zone 5
> At the mouth of the Meramec and mighty Mississippi rivers in Mo. USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I loaned a friend my Sutton's Catalog, but since I had torn out the
> > order form when I sent in my own order(and, I guess, took out
> crucial
> > info!)and the web site is down, she's got an order to place and
> would
> > like to know ordering details. Could someone send me the FAX
> and/or
> > phone # and/or address? I'm not sure if she knows how much to
> > include for shipping, etc.
> >
> > Thanks bunches,
> > Melanie Tornberg
> > South Berwick, ME Zone 4/5
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:37:37 -0700
> From: Randy Squires <randysiris@juno.com>
> Subject: Re: TB:CAT:TRADE: Clansman
>
> wells@train.missouri.org writes:
> > I have a friend who wants this cultivar - Clansman - very badly.
>
> Bill,
> All I can say is:
> "Clansman" is a (Schreiner's 1979)
> I checked their online catalog
> at www.schreinersgardens.com
> but it's not listed.
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>
> Message: 24
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:44:42 -0400
> From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
> Subject: Re: OT:pests
>
> > >Periodically California has regional quaranteens for things like the
> >Meditrainian fruit fly or Japanese beetle.
>
> My irises are reblooming but the Japanese beetles are devouring them.
> :( It's really sad to see.
> --
> Dennis Kramb; dkramb@badbear.com
> Cincinnati, Ohio USA; USDA Zone 6
> http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 03:56:39 -0000
> From: irisman@bellsouth.net
> Subject: AD: TRADES: New List
>
> New Group: Iris-Trades
>
> No affiliation with any segment of AIS is purported or insinuated.
> This group may be discontinued at any time deemed prudent by the list
> owner. Satisfaction cannot be guaranteed.
> List owner is NOT responsible for the dissatisfaction of any list
> member with trades!
>
> A group designed solely for iris growers and lovers to seek
> opportunities to trade "true-to-name" cultivars with other growers
> around the country. No guarantees are made by the list owner as to
> accuracy of cultivars--BUYER(trader) BEWARE! Responsibility for
> trade value lies with trade participants. Be as happy as you can with
> the trade terms BEFORE you "seal the deal." Followup is the
> responsibility of each "trader."
>
> Membership is open to anyone seeking trades of "named-cultivar"
> irises or iris companion plants.
>
> To learn more about the iris-trading group, please visit
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>
> To subscribe, send an e-mail to:
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>
> Rules of the group may change as we evolve.
>
> Attachments are not allowed, but once you start talking trade you may
> wish to swap lists in a database or spreadsheet format so make sure
> you have good and reliable virus software installed on your computer
> before downloading any attachments sent by members. A new virus
> going around is "Kakworm" which can be deleted but returns
> easily. Information on checking for it and others can be found by
> searching the web for it by name.
>
> After initial postings of desired trades or plants you are seeking,
> correspondence should go OFF-LIST between individuals. Another
> outlet for iris chatting is NOT deemed necessary.
>
> Regards,
> Moderator, Iris-Trading
>
>
>
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