Re: AR: ASI Plant Sale

From: dkramb@tso.cin.ix.net (Dennis Kramb)

Once upon a time...

>L.Zurbrigg wrote:
>>
>> >Dennis Kramb wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I asked Scott Jordon for some help, but haven't heard from him yet, so I
>> >> thought I'd post this to the L-list.  Anyway, a few months ago some of you
>> >> may remember me ranting and raving about a Sam Norris arilbred seedling
>> >> T-N88L which is shown on the inside front cover of the ASI 1995 Yearbook.
>> >> I wanted one really bad but couldn't find a source for it.

By the way...Scott did indeed send me a wonderful reply almost immediately
after I posted this message.  Murphy's Law strikes again!!


>> >> Anyhooo...now that the Plant Sale List is out I was hoping someone could
>> >> recommend an OGB cultivar that looks just like T-N88L...any ideas?  This
>> >> is one of those things that "I just have to have in my collection!"
>> >>
>> >> If you know someone who has T-N88L please forward this message on to them.
>>
>> Dennis:  I have N 88 D2, N 8,  N 89M, AB 88a, N 38 a, N 89AB , all from Mr.
>> Norris. These do not bloom here; would be delighted to have sugesstions on
>> what to do.

Well, aside from putting them in a greenhouse where you can completely
control the amount of light, water, humidity, temperature, etc. I'm not
sure what you can do to guarantee bloom.  If they're outside, raised beds
to improve drainage should benefit them.  They should be in full sun.

Are these seedlings pure aril-hybrids?  Or are they 1/2-breds?  3/4-breds?
In my limited experience, you can treat 1/2-breds and 1/4-breds exactly
like TBs without any problem.  Do you know others that grow these?  Do they
bloom for these other people?  You may just have some really finicky
plants.  I've heard of KILT LILT (a Dykes Medal TB, I think) being finicky
for people too.


>> But last year I got a bloom on N 89 M , and it set a pod for
>> me! The bloom was very onco-like, - or rather very onco-gelia-like in tones
>> of violet. These were from tetra arils bred to MY rebloomers. I do wish I
>> could grow them better.  Lloyd Zurbrigg in Durham NC where it is hot and
>> mostly dry. I heard from Sara Marley, RVP to be of Region 4, and they have
>> had rain in northern VA every day but one for the past two weeks!.

I don't know how long you've been growing them.  But if you have had them
for more than a couple years they should definately be divided.
Arils/arilbreds should be divided more frequently than TB's.  I've read of
some people that have to divide them every year to prevent overcrowding.

I recall hearing that some arils are heavy feeders, so an extra bit of
fertilizer in the fall may benefit them.  If yours are pure arils or
3/4-breds, you may also want to dig them up in the summer and keep them in
a very hot and dry and sunny place.  They love to bake in the desert sun
and go completely dormant for a few months.

Unfortunately I don't have enough personal experience to be able to know
whether these techniques aid in blooming, or if they are just techniques
for keeping arils alive in non-aril-like climates.

Hopefully this message will encourage some of the experts to put in their 2
cents!

Dennis Kramb; dkramb@tso.cin.ix.net
Cincinnati, Ohio USA; USDA Zone 6; AIS Region 6
Member of AIS, ASI, HIPS, RIS, SIGNA, & Miami Valley Iris Society
Primary Interests: Hybridizing Arilbreds, Raising Native Ohio Species Irises

PS:  Lloyd, If those Norris seedlings you have are OGBs would you be
willing to trade?



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