Re: ADMIN: Subject Tags

LOL! Oh, Iris Moose,

If you only knew the consternation that is caused by posts such as yours
below! I don't know if you will get "flamed" or not (there is a wide
difference in definition of the term "flame" here <BG>), but you will
definitely get a reaction....

The people on this list all love iris - that is clear. However, there is
a very wide range of personalities once you get past that common love of
a beautiful flower. Some of the people on this list have been kind,
gentle, welcoming, supportive of newcomers, but not all. When I first
joined, that was my experience.

I am actually a very linear/sequential person....I like structure,
order, all the ducks (and irises!) lined up in a row. So I certainly
understand the usefulness of subject tags. On the other hand, I have a
certain rebellious streak, as well. ;-) I don't like it when people feel
my behavior should be dictated by their convenience. Like most folks, I
like to be asked, but I don't like to be told.

I, too, was quite "put off" by the tone of some administrative messages
shortly after I joined. I was actually quite upset at the way certain
off-topic political subjects were handled right after 9/11. However, I
enjoy the comments on this list so much that I have resigned myself to
accepting the bad along with the good. Even though I generally am a
"law-abiding citizen" I must confess to just a little bit of mischievous
pleasure when I hit the reply button and see the ADMIN tag on my message
and know how terribly important it is to some that no one but John
should have that august privilege. ;-)

Folks like myself really just want to get along. We enjoy hearing other
people's experiences with irises, we enjoy learning from really
knowledgeable gardeners, and we occasionally like to share our own
experiences. Most of the time, we try to comply with the "rules" and
just bite our tongues when the periodic rant appears, comforting
ourselves with the fact that people are simply different.

Bill Wells (who prefers to be a "citizen" rather than a "subject" with
or without a tag)



Iris Moose wrote:

>  John and everyone,
>
> I guess I will get flamed for this message but there is no disrespect
> or
> controversy intended.
>
> I understand the use of the subject tags and see how they can be
> helpful.
> However, to make them mandatory and make people feel unwelcome to
> participate in this forum if they are not used seems a bit uppity and
> snobbish to me.  I am guilty (oh my!!) of sometimes using the tags and
>
> sometimes not using the tags.  I have also felt the wrath of the
> listowner
> with his friendly reminders that tags should be used.
>
> I believe that if the subject line contains a good description of the
> content of the message then that should be allowed without making
> anyone
> feel that they should not participate in this group.  For example, the
>
> subject line "Garden Labels" seems pretty clear to me and the lack of
> subject tags in this message seems extremely trivial.  Isn't the
> message
> more important than the subject of the message?  and shouldn't
> participation
> be encouraged over the constant admonishment of using subject tags
> appropriately.
>
> I am now hiding behind a flame retardant iris.
>
> Iris Moose
> Wake Forest, NC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John I Jones" <jijones@usjoneses.com>
> To: "iris-talk" <iris-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:59 AM
> Subject: [iris-talk] ADMIN: Subject Tags
>
>
> >
> > I thought that my last post on the Subject Tags issue would get the
> > point across. I guess not.
> >
> > Wake up people !
> >
> > Use the Subject Tags as listed in the Welcome message and replicated
>
> > below for you.
> >
> > TAG    Used For
> > ----   --------
> >
> >  TB:    tall bearded irises
> >  MED:   median and dwarf bearded irises
> >  AR:    arilbred and aril irises
> >  SIB:   Siberian irises
> >  LA:    Louisiana irises
> >  JI:    Japanese irises
> >  SPU:   spuria irises
> >  PCN:   Pacific coast native irises
> >  BULB:  bulb irises (Dutch, reticulatas, Junos)
> >  SPEC:  iris species (particularly those not covered in another
> category)
> >
> >  REB:   reblooming irises
> >  SA:    space-age irises
> >  HIST:  historic irises and history of iris development
> >
> >  CULT:  culture
> >  HYB:   hybridizing
> >  REF:   references (books and society publications)
> >  SHOW:  iris shows and related topics
> >  IRC:   IRC chat sessions (currently Friday nights)
> >  AIS:   American Iris Society business and issues
> >  PHOTO: iris photography
> >  COMP:  iris-related computer topics (record keeping, photo
> digitizing,
> etc.)
> >  CAT:   iris catalogs and discussion of commercial nurseries
> >  AD:    iris-related advertisement (ads not related to irises are
> *not*
> >  welcome!)
> > TRADE: Posts to the list offering trades or looking for a particular
>
> > iris. Replies to these posts should be made off-list privately to
> the
> > original sender.
> >
> >  OT-PLANTS: other garden plants (not irises)
> >  OT-ART:    iris-motif art and craftwork
> >  OT-HUMOR:  iris-related humor
> >  OT-CHAT:   personal messages and conversation (consider taking it
> off-list!)
> >  OT-BIO:    introduction from a new subscriber (please follow with
> your
> name)
> >
> >
> >  ADMIN:    Reserved for list owner
> >
> >
> >
> > John                     | "There be dragons here"
> >                          |  Annotation used by ancient cartographers
>
> >                          |  to indicate the edge of the known world.
>
> > ________________________________________________
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