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From: "Mary Carter Brown" <mccarbrn@janics.com>
Walter, Is William Setchell still available? I think we might have it but
want to compare it with known stock. Mary Brown, Region 18
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Date: Sunday, March 05, 2000 12:43 PM
Subject: [iris-talk] Digest Number 924
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>There are 25 messages in this issue.
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>Topics in today's digest:
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> 1. Re: CULT: TUMWATER IRIS
> From: Lorraine Miller <lcmiller@televar.com>
> 2. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: "Patrick Orr" <PatrickJOrr@hotmail.com>
> 3. OT-CHAT: invisible post
> From: linda Mann <lmann@mailhub.icx.net>
> 4. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: IrisAcher@aol.com
> 5. Re: CULT: Borer distribution.
> From: storylade@aol.com
> 6. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: storylade@aol.com
> 7. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: wmoores@watervalley.net
> 8. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: wmoores@watervalley.net
> 9. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: "John Bruce" <jbruce@infinet.com>
> 10. CAT:Roots and Rhizomes, Etc.
> From: wmoores@watervalley.net
> 11. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: hipsource@aol.com
> 12. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: hipsource@aol.com
> 13. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: hipsource@aol.com
> 14. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: RYFigge@aol.com
> 15. Re: CAT:Roots and Rhizomes, Etc.
> From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
> 16. HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: Dave Silverberg <sil1812@molalla.net>
> 17. Re: CAT:Roots and Rhizomes, Etc.
> From: wmoores@watervalley.net
> 18. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: wmoores@watervalley.net
> 19. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: Randy Squires <randysiris@juno.com>
> 20. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: dwiris@aol.com
> 21. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: dwiris@aol.com
> 22. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: hipsource@aol.com
> 23. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: dwiris@aol.com
> 24. Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
> From: wmoores@watervalley.net
> 25. Re: REB: HOT CHOCOLATE
> From: dwiris@aol.com
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>Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 01:08:30 -0800
> From: Lorraine Miller <lcmiller@televar.com>
>Subject: Re: CULT: TUMWATER IRIS
>
>John I Jones wrote:
>>
>> From: John I Jones <jijones@ix.netcom.com>
>>
>> Anyone ever hear of a Tumwater Iris? I checked a number of my
>> references, but can't find anything on it
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> John
>>
>> Stuart Lewis wrote:
>> >
>> > I know very little about iris, but I've been trying to find a Tumwater
Iris
>> > for illustration purposes. Would you know if it is wild or garden
variety
>> > and/or where I might find it depitcted on the web?
>> >
>> > If you can help, thank you!
>> > stulouise@msn.com
>>
>> --
>>
>> John | "There be dragons here"
>> | Annotation used by ancient cartographers
>> | to indicate the edge of the known world.
>> ________________________________________________
>>
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>TUMWATER: Gordon Plough; Reg. 1971; Intro. Eden Road 1972; IB 18"
>Standards cerulean blue; Falls same with greener tone, hafts blended and
>lightly veined olive; bluebird blue beard (Truce x Easter Holiday) x
>Blue Miller
> I list it in my catalog
>
> LORRAINE'S IRIS PATCH
> 20272 Road 11 NW
> Quincy, WA 98848
>Central Washington State USA, Columbia Basin, across the Columbia River
>and 30 miles east of Wenatchee.
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>Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 03:33:27 -0700
> From: "Patrick Orr" <PatrickJOrr@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>Anner, with me it is STARSHIP ENTERPRISE. I love the color pattern on it
>(from what I have seen in pictures only) and had to get it. The
controversy
>is that it was introduced even though it was reputed as lacking vigor (it
>apparently has some trouble with its warp engines) and low on bud count.
>The disgust comes in when I think of how much I paid for it and I look at
it
>in the garden only to see three inches of growth on it while I have others
>already sending up bloom stalks. Granted SE is a later variety and might
>take off any minute, but I felt is should at least do more than three inch
>tall fans (it does have two increases so far). I really hope it blooms for
>me this year. Please, everyone think good thoughts...
>
>Patrick Orr
>Zone 9
>Phoenix, AZ USA
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <hipsource@aol.com>
>To: <iris-talk@onelist.com>
>Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 8:34 PM
>Subject: Re: [iris-talk] HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>
>> From: hipsource@aol.com
>>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> Most of the discussion on this has centered on the question of iris NAMES
>> which have been controversial. As far as I am aware most of the
>controversy
>> over THORNBIRD centers on the color and form, although I believe that in
>some
>> quarters the book which also has this name was considered mildly
>scandalous
>> so it is conceivable there was some impact from that.
>>
>> I shall repeat my question. Does anyone know of any other recent, by
which
>I
>> mean non-historic, hybrid iris about which people have so enjoyed holding
>and
>> expressing such strong and conflicting opinions on the basis of color and
>> form?
>>
>> Anner Whitehead
>> HIPSource@aol.com
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>Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 06:37:42 -0500
> From: linda Mann <lmann@mailhub.icx.net>
>Subject: OT-CHAT: invisible post
>
>Lorraine Miller <lcmiller@televar.com>
>
>Lorraine - the post you sent re: tumwater irises didn't show up (e.g.,
>it is 'empty' except for your address in the archives).
>
>John, what causes these invisibles? Is it attached mail?
>
>Linda M
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>Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 08:12:07 EST
> From: IrisAcher@aol.com
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>I think BAYBERRY CANDLE might qualify. I've heard it referred to as "that
>dirty sock." Other folks are intrigued with the color.
>
>Dorothy Stiefel
>IrisAcher@aol.com
>Dryden, NY, USA
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>Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 08:18:20 EST
> From: storylade@aol.com
>Subject: Re: CULT: Borer distribution.
>
>Mark,
>
>To be honest I didn't grow iris when I lived in Union,MO. The two older
>children were too young. But I did grow them outside Festus in a little
>community called Victoria. Victoria is a little southwest of Steve Stevens
>and southeast of Clyde Hahn, same county as both. Maybe I was just lucky.
>
>Betty in BG KY
>
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>Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 08:26:26 EST
> From: storylade@aol.com
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>In a message dated 03/04/2000 11:00:41 PM Central Standard Time,
>hipsource@aol.com writes:
>
><< The rainbow goddess must occasionally get down and boogie like the rest
> of us. It is in her genes, as they say. >>
>
>Does anyone grow Linda Miller's WENCH?
>
>Betty in BG KY
>
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>Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 07:30:43 -0600
> From: wmoores@watervalley.net
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>> From: Mike Lowe <mlowe@worldiris.com>
>>
>> Walter writes....
>>
>> >>The following raised more than a few eyebrows when they were
>> >introduced back in the eighties: [list of non-PC, risque, double
>> >entendre, slang, iris names]
>>
>> And yet what is definitely not PC in various far removed (from the AIS
>> Registrar's office) geographical areas will sail right under the
>> Registrar's radar for lack of regional knowledge. These should be
>> filtered out by the in-country Registrar, however a few slip through.
>>
>> Example: SAIDA BINT (G. Loveridge)
>>
>> One dollar will get you ten this will sail right past the braindead
>> bureaucratic ChineseWall P.C. filter without raising a hair!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mike, mlowe@worldiris.com -- http://www.worldiris.com
>> South Central Virginia, USA; USDA Zone 7A
>>
> ROTFLOL ! Requires a little thought!!
>
> Reminds me of SONI CE - Peterson
>
> Walter Moores
> Baja Tennessee, 7/8 The New World
>
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>Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 07:46:50 -0600
> From: wmoores@watervalley.net
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>> From: hipsource@aol.com
>>
>>
>>
>> I shall repeat my question. Does anyone know of any other recent, by
>> which I mean non-historic, hybrid iris about which people have so
>> enjoyed holding and expressing such strong and conflicting opinions on
>> the basis of color and form?
>>
>> Anner Whitehead
>> HIPSource@aol.com
>
>
> I do not know of anything recently (unless it is still unseen in a
>hybridizer's patch) based on color and form that has aroused a
>storm of controversy.
>
> Of the historics, RHYTHM (Ballard '54), has got to be on top or
>near the top of the 'double uglies.' "A phenomenal break in iris
>form; the first flat iris with six bearded falls. A whimsical freak of
>nature, entirely without the usual three standards characterizing
>normal iris. A novel iten for arrangement fans..." From Lloyd
>Austin's Iris Color Guidebook, 1963.
>
> Rudi Fuchs was always 'slipping this one in' as a extra when
>we traded irises, but I must admit seeing it in his garden was
>enough....flat, six bearded falls in grayish purple with marked hafts
>extending to the tip of the beards - the Thornbird of its day.
>
> Walter Moores
> Baja Tennessee, 7/8 The New World
>
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>Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 10:38:08 -0500
> From: "John Bruce" <jbruce@infinet.com>
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>Yes, I have several WENCHes in my garden--
>It grows like a weed, and always attracts comments,
>both from the name and the flower. Folks love it!
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>John Bruce jbruce@infinet.com
>SW Ohio, USDA Zone 5b, Sunset #35
>USA--Mid-Midwest
>AIS Region 6, SSI,HIPS,TBIS, SIGNA
>President, Miami Valley Iris Society
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>>
>> << The rainbow goddess must occasionally get down and boogie like the
rest
>> of us. It is in her genes, as they say. >>
>>
>> Does anyone grow Linda Miller's WENCH?
>>
>> Betty in BG KY
>>
>
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>Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 09:46:45 -0600
> From: wmoores@watervalley.net
>Subject: CAT:Roots and Rhizomes, Etc.
>
>Last week I was mailed a really neat catalog called Roots and
>Rhizomes. It came from Randolph, WI, and lists only siberians in
>the iris section, but has a world of other plants and a helpful index.
>
>Has anybody on the list ordered from R & R and can tell us about
>the quality of their stock?
>
>Paul Black's Mid-America catalog came, too. DUDE RANCH is
>another TDF, and I was wondering if anyone saw it at the OKC
>convention or at Paul's OKC garden before he left and can share
>their thoughts on it.
>
>Walter Moores
>Enid Lake, MS 7/8, Old South, USA
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>Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:02:16 EST
> From: hipsource@aol.com
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>In a message dated 3/5/00 8:46:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>wmoores@watervalley.net writes:
>
><< Of the historics, RHYTHM (Ballard '54), has got to be on top or near
the
>top of the 'double uglies.' "A phenomenal break in iris form; the first
flat
>iris with six bearded falls. A whimsical freak of nature, entirely without
>the usual three standards characterizing normal iris. A novel iten for
>arrangement fans..." From Lloyd
> Austin's Iris Color Guidebook, 1963.
>
> Rudi Fuchs was always 'slipping this one in' as a extra when we traded
>irises, but I must admit seeing it in his garden was enough....flat, six
>bearded falls in grayish purple with marked hafts extending to the tip of
the
>beards - the Thornbird of its day.>>
>
>And yet, you know, I was just looking at this one in an old Austin catalog
>(1961)and thinking it was really interesting and kind of good looking in
its
>own way. Another oddity, in my book, is its rather achaic looking pedigree,
>listed in the catalog as (( Alcazar x Archeveque) x Candalabra). My picture
>shows a regular six fall pinwheel with teardrop petals which are deep
purple
>with heavy grey-white haft veining, beards tipped orange with stronger
orange
>in the throat, and greenish buff style arms, three of them. What is really
>interesting is that it is a true flattie, but it does not resemble a
Japanese
>iris, which they often do and which is apparently considered some
>justification for flattitude. I don't quite follow that reasoning. RHYTHM
was
>specifically mentioned as being useful for flower arrangers, and I'd think
>that might be the case.
>
>Anner Whitehead
>HIPSource@aol.com
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>Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:05:40 EST
> From: hipsource@aol.com
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>In a message dated 3/5/00 8:13:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
IrisAcher@aol.com
>writes:
>
><< I think BAYBERRY CANDLE might qualify. I've heard it referred to as
>"that
> dirty sock." Other folks are intrigued with the color.>>
>
>Here we are back to the question of 'Art Shades' about which I have rattled
>on in the past on this list. Surely Blyth's stunning use of mysterious and
>complex colors will impact this situation in time. Not that there is
anything
>wrong with preferring the more unblended colors....
>
>Anner Whitehead
>HIPSource@aol.com
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>Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:13:13 EST
> From: hipsource@aol.com
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>In a message dated 3/5/00 5:39:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>PatrickJOrr@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< The controversy is that it was introduced even though it was reputed as
>lacking vigor (it apparently has some trouble with its warp engines) and
low
>on bud count.
> The disgust comes in when I think of how much I paid for it and I look at
it
>in the garden only to see three inches of growth on it while I have others
>already sending up bloom stalks. Granted SE is a later variety and might
>take off any minute, but I felt is should at least do more than three inch
>tall fans (it does have two increases so far). I really hope it blooms for
me
>this year. Please, everyone think good thoughts... >>
>
>I'm thinking very good thoughts for you on that one.
>
>I saw it first in a photo in the AIS 75th Anniversary Bulletin and went
>berserk. While I haven't liked it as well in recent photos and have never
>seen the actual plant, I think it is a really interesting iris.
Schreiner's
>has been entirely upfront about the buds, etc., so I figured they have made
>it available primarily as a breeder's iris, and that seems legitimate to me
>
>Anner Whitehead
>HIPSource@aol.com
>
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>Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:34:47 EST
> From: RYFigge@aol.com
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>Anner, I can remember when BROWN LASSO came out there was a lot of
>displeasure among the older dyed-in-the-wool people around here that
didn't
>like the color, form, and it faded, the fact it was not a TB etc. ad
>infinitum. How widespread was the feeling , I don't know because I was
>involved only in chapter and some regional activities. However, I always
>liked it. But then I like unusual-looking irises (jewelry, clothes, etc)
>and I guess that would include THORNBIRD And there were those in those
days
>that didn't like what we now call space-agers! Rosalie nr Baltimore, USA
>zone 7(which bears no influence in this case) ryfigge@aol.com
>
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>Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:38:35 -0500
> From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
>Subject: Re: CAT:Roots and Rhizomes, Etc.
>
>>From: wmoores@watervalley.net
>>
>>Last week I was mailed a really neat catalog called Roots and
>>Rhizomes. It came from Randolph, WI, and lists only siberians in
>>the iris section, but has a world of other plants and a helpful index.
>>
>>Has anybody on the list ordered from R & R and can tell us about
>>the quality of their stock?
>
>Hi Walter, I got this catalog too. And some of those other perennials are
>just TDF, IMHO. I've never bought from them before, so I can't comment on
>the quality of their stock. But just from looking at the unique selection
>they I have, I intend to place an order. On the top of my list is that
>red/white blended tradescantia hybrid. They also have oodles of interesting
>variegated plants that strike my fancy. What did you see that caught your
>attention?
>
>Dennis Kramb; dkramb@badbear.com
>Cincinnati, Ohio USA; USDA Zone 6; AIS Region 6
>http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/home.html
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>Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 08:53:17 -0800
> From: Dave Silverberg <sil1812@molalla.net>
>Subject: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>My entry into the competition would be found in Lamb Nurseries (Spokane,
>Washington) 1960 catalog:
>"Double Eagle (Samuelson 1954) The most sensational Iris ever
>introduced. The first real break in bearded Iris of all time. This
>amazing Iris throws an unusually heavy, well branched 40" stems carrying
>huge buds. The first of these open with the conventional three standards
>and three falls but the later buds toss aside all convention and open to
>mammoth flowers having from six to 12 standards most beautifully ruffled
>and waved. Unusually heavy substance hold these lovely standards
>slightly apart, permitting the startling double effect to be fully
>apparent even from a distance. Through some lucky chance this new double
>Iris is a fine coppery chartreuse, a color that all Iris lovers are
>seeking. It is also among the strongest growers we have seen and
>thoroughly hardy even in our rigorous northern climate. It is not a
>freak that will revert to a single type but the first really double Iris
>to be offered anywhere."
>
>Dave Silverberg
>Molalla, Oregon, USA zone 7/8ish
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>Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:10:50 -0600
> From: wmoores@watervalley.net
>Subject: Re: CAT:Roots and Rhizomes, Etc.
>
>> From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
>>
>> >From: wmoores@watervalley.net
>> >
>> >Last week I was mailed a really neat catalog called Roots and
>> >Rhizomes. It came from Randolph, WI, and lists only siberians in the
>> >iris section, but has a world of other plants and a helpful index.
>> >
>> >Has anybody on the list ordered from R & R and can tell us about the
>> >quality of their stock?
>>
>> Hi Walter, I got this catalog too. And some of those other perennials
>> are just TDF, IMHO.
>> What did you see that caught your attention?
>>
>
>
> That same spiderwort and the speckled helleborus.
>
> Walter Moores
> Enid Lake, MS 7/8 USA
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>Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:21:19 -0600
> From: wmoores@watervalley.net
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
> Dave, don't forget FULL HOUSE, Meek '76, distributed by
>Melrose. This thing had five standards and five hanging falls and
>reminded me of an unbrella in brownish tones. The color was ok.
>
> RHYTHM was just too hafty for me, and I think if I saw it in an
>arrangement, I would pull it out because it would be distracting.
>'Dirty' is the word for describing it, IMHO.
>
> Walter Moores
> Enid Lake, MS 7/8 USA
>
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>Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 09:25:48 -0800
> From: Randy Squires <randysiris@juno.com>
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>From: "Donald Eaves" <donald@eastland.net>
>
>For visitors in my yard, it has been NOTORIOUS, not THORNBIRD.
>
>Hi All...
>Well like Stockton Iris Gardens said about Notorious:
>
>"Iris purists may flare their nostrils at this variety but
>there is none other like it on the market." Wild and fun.
>
>randy
>southern california
>USA
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>Message: 20
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:07:24 EST
> From: dwiris@aol.com
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>In a message dated 3/4/00 4:41:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>mlowe@worldiris.com writes:
>
><< Example: SAIDA BINT (G. Loveridge)
>
> One dollar will get you ten this will sail right past the braindead
> bureaucratic ChineseWall P.C. filter without raising a hair! >>
>
>But, Mike, I don't know what it means either.
>
>Dorothy Willott
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>Message: 21
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:17:57 EST
> From: dwiris@aol.com
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>In a message dated 3/5/00 8:27:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
storylade@aol.com
>writes:
>
><< Does anyone grow Linda Miller's WENCH? >>
> Yes, Betty we do. It is quite showy.
>
>Dorothy Willott
>Northern Ohio, USA
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>Message: 22
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:20:29 EST
> From: hipsource@aol.com
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>In a message dated 3/5/00 11:55:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>sil1812@molalla.net writes:
>
><< The most sensational Iris ever introduced. >>
>
>Speaking of which, does anyone out there grow the big Schreiner TB GIANT
ROSE
>well enough to get the full impact? Is it as grotesque as it sounds like it
>could be, or simply very large? I mean, is it a handsome iris? How are the
>proportions between the bloom and the rest of the plant?
>
>And wasn't this the first and one of the few irises to be
>patented....speaking of controversies...
>
>Anner Whitehead
>HIPSource@aol.com
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>Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:25:55 EST
> From: dwiris@aol.com
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>In a message dated 3/5/00 11:37:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
RYFigge@aol.com
>writes:
>
><< And there were those in those days
> that didn't like what we now call space-agers! >>
>
>Hi Rosalie,
>
>I know quite a few iris growers who still can't stand any space agers.
Tony
>and I have always been intrigued with them, however.
>
>Dorothy Willott
>Northern Ohio, USA
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>Message: 24
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:40:17 -0600
> From: wmoores@watervalley.net
>Subject: Re: HYB: Controversy and Disgust
>
>> From: hipsource@aol.com
>>
>
>>
>> Speaking of which, does anyone out there grow the big Schreiner TB
>> GIANT ROSE well enough to get the full impact? Is it as grotesque as
>> it sounds like it could be, or simply very large? I mean, is it a
>> handsome iris? How are the proportions between the bloom and the rest
>> of the plant?
>>
>> And wasn't this the first and one of the few irises to be
>> patented....speaking of controversies...
>>
>> Anner Whitehead
>> HIPSource@aol.com
>
> As I remember GIANT ROSE, it wasn't all that attractive. It just
>dwarfed everything else and eventually flopped and fell in the Texas
>wind. I don't remember transplanting it because I had been
>forewarned. It was even bigger than WILLIAM SETCHELL and
>flopped about the same. Was it patented? I remember ROCOCO
>being patented and listed in a local (Texas) pricelist as NFS but for
>trade only. Then, it seemed the patent became unenforceable and
>it was offered for sale.
>
> I think the patented irises are listed somewhere in the archives.
> I'll take a gander there.
>
> Walter Moores
> Enid Lake, MS 7/8 USA
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>Message: 25
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:40:46 EST
> From: dwiris@aol.com
>Subject: Re: REB: HOT CHOCOLATE
>
>In a message dated 3/4/00 10:19:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>schubert@intrepid.net writes:
>
><< I've also had a few recently transplanted rhizomes bloom or at least
give
>it a shot. What's the consensus, is this a reblooming tendency or induced
by
>the transplanting trauma (and maybe unseasonably warm weather)? >>
>Hi George:
>
>We have occasionally had irises bloom shortly after being newly planted,
but
>they have never rebloomed after that. I would not label these as
rebloomers.
> It apparently has something to do with transplanting trauma.
>
>Dorothy Willott
>Northern Ohio, USA
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