Re: REF: amoena vs neglecta & bitone vs bicolor

Both Lindas' understandings are correct, and Jeff has explained this very well. Even so, in recent years, there has been a tendency by some to apply the term 
"amoena" to irises whose standards are, in fact, not white, but very light
versions of the color of the falls. One rather extreme example is BEST BET, even though its hybridizer described the standards as "light wisteria blue". These are really 
bitones, and I hope that the tendency to call them amoenas will be
curtailed.

Another perhaps more difficult question is posed by flowers
whose standards are white, but flushed with color at the base, and whose
falls are colored, though not necessarily the same color as the flush at the
base of the standards.  I think these might legitimately be called amoenas
because the standards are, in fact, white, though with a partial infusion of
color, even if the flush extends fairly high up the standards. Any other thoughts on that? Remembering, of course, that "amoena", other than historically being applied to a particular color pattern in irises, does not in itself denote any color or pattern, but simply means "pleasant", so we, as irisarians, can determine how the term is to be used. -- Griff
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Walters" <jeffwiris@yahoo.com> 
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [iris] REF: amoena vs neglecta & bitone vs bicolor



Linda S.

When the terms "Amoena" and "Neglecta" were first
coined they referred to two specific bearded irises,
one with white standards and violet/purple falls, and
the other with light violet standards and deeper
violet falls, respectively. Subsequently, any iris
with either of these color patterns was referred to as
an amoena or a neglecta.

As Linda Mann indicated, as more color patterns began
to occur in irises, 'amoena' came to refer to an iris
with white standards and falls of any other solid
color.

To my knowledge 'neglecta' still refers to a
blue/violet bitone.

A third early designation for a color pattern was
"Variegata". Originally this was the  a species name
applied to a bearded iris with yellow standards and
red/brown falls (I. variegata). As with neglecta,
variegata later became a generic term for the same
color pattern in any bearded iris.

As hybridizers continued to develop new color patterns
in irises, terms such as reverse amoena, reverse
neglecta, amoena-plicata, and variegata-plicata have
come into use.

Perhaps more than you wanted to know?!

Jeff Walters
in upstate South Carolina
USDA Zone 7b

--- Linda Smith <irisgrower@cableone.net> wrote:


Linda M.

 Neglecta- I agree I thought it was bitone also, but
if I'm reading the
definition correctly that is in the AIS booklet on
p. 8 it says they are
bicolor. Most Other books say bitone. I do not at
the moment have time to
check other sources except what's in my house w
catalogs etc. and some web
pages. Most of them so far say bitone also.

Amoena I'm pretty clear on.

Anyway, discussion was great at meeting and I think
it helped the new comers
realize that there's lots to learn and it is fun.
And even when we think we
know something, there's always room for further
investigation even on simple
things.

Thanks for replying so quickly.

Linda in CW AZ
-------Original Message-------

From: Linda Mann
Date: 11/09/07 16:54:18
To: iris@hort.net
Subject: [iris] REF: amoena vs neglecta & bitone vs
bicolor

I <think> an amoena is white standards and some
other color of falls,
sometimes with a white rim around the falls,
sometimes not.

Back in the old days, amoenas were white over
blue-purple, but now I
<think> people call white over any other color an
amoena.

I always thought neglecta was bitone, and generally
two shades of
blue-purple, or red, not bicolor.

I thought bicolor meant two different colors, not
just two shades of one
color.

yes? I think it is a typo?
--
Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
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