RE: Re: HYB: un-introduced seedlings
- Subject: RE: [iris-talk] Re: HYB: un-introduced seedlings
- From: D* B*
- Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:04:03 -0600
- Importance: Normal
Patricia,
In fact a lot of those numbered seedlings in pedigrees will never be
introduced. They were not of a quality to make it although they had
something worth passing on!!
Dana Brown
Malevil Gardens
Pres. South Plains Iris Society
AIS Region 17, MIS, ASI, RIS, TBIS
Lubbock, TX USA
Zone 7 USDA, Zone 10 Sunset
d*@llano.net
-----Original Message-----
From: pbrooks@whidbey.net [p*@whidbey.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:59 PM
To: iris-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [iris-talk] Re: HYB: un-introduced seedlings
My assumption about numbered seedlings being cited in parentage is
not that they were thought unintroduceable by their originators, but
simply that they hadn't been introduced yet when the seedling's
offspring was ready for introduction. I shouldn't think the
hybridizer's name would be cited if said hybridizer thought the
seedling unworthy of claiming.
Anybody else know anything about this practice?
Patricia Brooks
Whidbey Island, WA, zone 8/9
--- In iris-talk@y..., Linda Mann <lmann@v...> wrote:
> From what I've seen in pedigrees, I think hybridizers do swap
pollen and
> unintroduceable seedlings with one another now and then, and
sometimes
> even sell them as hybridizer's irises. These seem to be seedlings
that
> have some quality or other that is highly desireable and maybe hard
to
> acheive (recessive traits maybe?), but don't meet other criteria of
> introduction (poor form, few buds, weak grower, etc). Also, I
think I
> have read of rejects being given to other hybridizers who saw traits
> they wanted to introduce into their own lines.
>
> Tom Parkhill, local hybridizer, has given me many of his seedlings
and
> introductions to 'torture' here, and most have not fared all that
well
> for me. The one that I like best and has been most reliable was one
> that he discarded. Jim Ennenga (judge, ex RVP) saw blooming in my
garden
> and said should be introduced. Tom didn't consider it for reselect
> because it is 'just another blue/purple' in a very crowded color
class.
> So now I've given it back to Tom to reconsider for introduction.
>
> Then there are all those SIGNA seedlings....'thrown away' seedlings
> before they even germinate. And seedlings that hybridizers don't
bother
> to introduce because they have so many 'better' ones in iris heaven
> (Oregon) that might be as good as some the rest of us could ever
hope to
> produce.....
>
> Always count on me for another perspective <g>
>
> Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
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