Re: Re: HYB: un-introduced seedlings

Paticia
All my seedlings have numbers from the time they were planted out, and that
number was used in any subsequent breeding. Many seedlings may have
signifigant characteristics but be a yuck colour or have a major fault, such
that I wouldn't introduce it in itsself, but Iwoud use it for further
breeding. I might have several very different seedlings from a wide cross
which have very different characteristics and so by using the seedling
number as well actual parents it becomes clear exactly which of the
seedlings I used. It's just additional information. Also I might give an
seedling under assessment to another breeder to trial in different climate,
soil etc and may authorise them to use the pollen.

Colleen Modra
South Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: <pbrooks@whidbey.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 6:59 AM
Subject: [iris-talk] Re: HYB: un-introduced seedlings


> My assumption about numbered seedlings being cited in parentage is
> not that they were thought unintroduceable by their originators, but
> simply that they hadn't been introduced yet when the seedling's
> offspring was ready for introduction.  I shouldn't think the
> hybridizer's name would be cited if said hybridizer thought the
> seedling unworthy of claiming.
>
> Anybody else know anything about this practice?
>
> Patricia Brooks
> Whidbey Island, WA, zone 8/9
>
>
>
> --- In iris-talk@y..., Linda Mann <lmann@v...> wrote:
> > From what I've seen in pedigrees, I think hybridizers do swap
> pollen and
> > unintroduceable seedlings with one another now and then, and
> sometimes
> > even sell them as hybridizer's irises.  These seem to be seedlings
> that
> > have some quality or other that is highly desireable and maybe hard
> to
> > acheive (recessive traits maybe?), but don't meet other criteria of
> > introduction (poor form, few buds, weak grower, etc).  Also, I
> think I
> > have read of rejects being given to other hybridizers who saw traits
> > they wanted to introduce into their own lines.
> >
> > Tom Parkhill, local hybridizer, has given me many of his seedlings
> and
> > introductions to 'torture' here, and most have not fared all that
> well
> > for me.  The one that I like best and has been most reliable was one
> > that he discarded. Jim Ennenga (judge, ex RVP) saw blooming in my
> garden
> > and said should be introduced.  Tom didn't consider it for reselect
> > because it is 'just another blue/purple' in a very crowded color
> class.
> > So now I've given it back to Tom to reconsider for introduction.
> >
> > Then there are all those SIGNA seedlings....'thrown away' seedlings
> > before they even germinate.  And seedlings that hybridizers don't
> bother
> > to introduce because they have so many 'better' ones in iris heaven
> > (Oregon) that might be as good as some the rest of us could ever
> hope to
> > produce.....
> >
> > Always count on me for another perspective <g>
> >
> > Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
>
>
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