Re: HYB: un-introduced seedlings

Thanks, Colleen, makes excellent sense.  I already have all my seeds 
catalogued, and just hope I get enough sprouts to have seedlings 
numbered in double digits.

Patricia


--- In iris-talk@y..., "Colleen Modra" <irises@s...> wrote:
> Paticia
> All my seedlings have numbers from the time they were planted out, 
and that
> number was used in any subsequent breeding. Many seedlings may have
> signifigant characteristics but be a yuck colour or have a major 
fault, such
> that I wouldn't introduce it in itsself, but Iwoud use it for 
further
> breeding. I might have several very different seedlings from a wide 
cross
> which have very different characteristics and so by using the 
seedling
> number as well actual parents it becomes clear exactly which of the
> seedlings I used. It's just additional information. Also I might 
give an
> seedling under assessment to another breeder to trial in different 
climate,
> soil etc and may authorise them to use the pollen.
> 
> Colleen Modra
> South Australia
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <pbrooks@w...>
> To: <iris-talk@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 6:59 AM
> Subject: [iris-talk] Re: HYB: un-introduced seedlings
> 
> 
> > My assumption about numbered seedlings being cited in parentage is
> > not that they were thought unintroduceable by their originators, 
but
> > simply that they hadn't been introduced yet when the seedling's
> > offspring was ready for introduction.  I shouldn't think the
> > hybridizer's name would be cited if said hybridizer thought the
> > seedling unworthy of claiming.
> >
> > Anybody else know anything about this practice?
> >
> > Patricia Brooks
> > Whidbey Island, WA, zone 8/9
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In iris-talk@y..., Linda Mann <lmann@v...> wrote:
> > > From what I've seen in pedigrees, I think hybridizers do swap
> > pollen and
> > > unintroduceable seedlings with one another now and then, and
> > sometimes
> > > even sell them as hybridizer's irises.  These seem to be 
seedlings
> > that
> > > have some quality or other that is highly desireable and maybe 
hard
> > to
> > > acheive (recessive traits maybe?), but don't meet other 
criteria of
> > > introduction (poor form, few buds, weak grower, etc).  Also, I
> > think I
> > > have read of rejects being given to other hybridizers who saw 
traits
> > > they wanted to introduce into their own lines.
> > >
> > > Tom Parkhill, local hybridizer, has given me many of his 
seedlings
> > and
> > > introductions to 'torture' here, and most have not fared all 
that
> > well
> > > for me.  The one that I like best and has been most reliable 
was one
> > > that he discarded. Jim Ennenga (judge, ex RVP) saw blooming in 
my
> > garden
> > > and said should be introduced.  Tom didn't consider it for 
reselect
> > > because it is 'just another blue/purple' in a very crowded color
> > class.
> > > So now I've given it back to Tom to reconsider for introduction.
> > >
> > > Then there are all those SIGNA seedlings....'thrown away' 
seedlings
> > > before they even germinate.  And seedlings that hybridizers 
don't
> > bother
> > > to introduce because they have so many 'better' ones in iris 
heaven
> > > (Oregon) that might be as good as some the rest of us could ever
> > hope to
> > > produce.....
> > >
> > > Always count on me for another perspective <g>
> > >
> > > Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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