Re: CAT: Rudolph cultivars

Thanks, Neil, I have gotten both Keppel's FOGBOUND and LOTUS LAND for 
this coming Spring bloom.  He told me he has gotten some pastel 
beards in their crosses.  As well as many other recent pinks and 
pastels like REJOICE AND SING, to cross with tangerine-bearded pinks 
in the hope of softening that tangerine.

It's discouraging to read the ancestry and see how very intentionally 
the tangerine beards have been bred INTO pinks (and others), which 
I'm now trying to breed OUT.  Even Barry Blyth, my favorite 
hybridizer, who has produced such lovely subtle color combos, sticks 
that tangerine beard into cvs, for constrast supposedly, but which 
look only like conflict to me.

Thanks for taking the time to give me this info.

Patricia Brooks


-- In iris-talk@y..., neilm@c... wrote:
> --- In iris-talk@y..., pbrooks@w... wrote:
> "Your mention of Snow Flurry and New Snow in the mix leads me back 
to 
> wondering if I can use whites in my combos with pinks with 
tangerine 
> beards, to override the beard color, as it were...."
> 
> A number of modern whites, creams and violets include pinks in 
their 
> ancestry. One parent of LAVENDER PARK, for example, is Bill 
Maryott's 
> DELIRIOUS which has a tangerine beard.  Some others that look 
likely 
> to breed tangerine beards include ELIZABETH POLDARK and DEVONSHIRE 
> CREAM.  There are many such.
> 
> In crossing pinks with non-pinks the first generation will be 
creams 
> or yellows instead of pinks.  The pink pigment is simply yellow 
> altered in its chemistry by the "t" factor.  To recover pinks and 
> pink or tangerine beards you need to cross back to a "t" parent.  
> Then, only a fraction of the seedlings will have the red or pink 
> beard if the white (or other non-pink) had NO tangerine factor.  
> Fortunately, many irises do.  
> 
> However, the basic cross you describe has been done many times--
> you'll save much time if you build on the rich foundation of 
> materials already available on the market.
> 
> You are also fortunate that most modern pinks (or other colors with 
> tangerine beards) do already include whites or blues in their 
> ancestry.  Melba Hamblen used Helen McGregor and Great Lakes in 
> crosses with t-varieties.  Nearly everything (if not all) of hers 
> that survive include those crosses in their ancestry many times 
> over.  The modern pinks that are not primarily Fay-Moldovan-Rudolph 
> in ancestry often trace back to Hamblen pinks.  
> 
> Further backcrosses to whites or blues could add better forms, more 
> ruffling, better growth and branching if the right parents are 
> selected.  Consider FOGBOUND a ready made source---Babbling Brook, 
> Honky Tonk Blues and others are in its pedigree and it has a 
delicate 
> pastel tangerine beard to boot.  It is reported to be a very good 
> parent.
> 
> Neil Mogensen  z 6b/7a near Asheville, NC


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