Re: Re: HYB: finding pedigrees


oneofcultivars@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Number of fields are important. Name, hybridizer, year, season, falls,
> standards, beards, height, rebloom, description are the ideal I see for the
> registration information that now exists. Three fields would be acceptable in
> beta.
 
> <What would you use the information for?>
> 
> You may properly assume that once data is made available it will be used in
> every possible, conceivable, yet undreamed way a number, word or letters
> combination of the two might be imagined.

Unforunately, that is not the kind of answer that is very helpful.
Naturally a good designer will mske the solution as general as possible,
but no one can think of all the ways someone would use the data, so as
many specific cases as possible are helpful to the designer.

 
> <How would you access the information?>
> 
> In the easiest, least expensive way. Hopin' MS Access has the capacity to
> import.
> 
> <How would you search the information?>
> 
> By whatever options the program to which I hopefully import allows.

Again, what kind of searches would you be doing. Try and be specific.

 
> <How would you conduct boolean searches?>
> 
> Wonderin' if this is a trick question. <g>

Nope. What kind of booleans would you use (e.g., hybridizer and color,
season and color)

 
> <If the CD did have a search program associated with it:
> What platforms would it run on? (PC, Mac, Unix)>
> 
> All, one, any. Listed in order of preference.

I assume that for you the answer is PC
> 
> <What operating systems and what versions?>
> Ditto above response. Advice is Windows 95 and higher. Mac? Unix? I

I think compatibility between Win 95 and Win 2000 and up is problematic
(but I am not a Windows person and don't know for sure. What I do know
is that designers tend to design tothe newer systems and some of the
newer software versions are not compatible with the older OS versions).
If you ask for the world you willprobably get something that is not
particularily useful to anyone.
 
> <I don't know things like:
> If it had a search engine would the results of a search be downloadable
> to the host machine in text format? Is that necessary? Is all the data
> made resident on the host machine or does the search engine only access
> data on the CD? (Is that a requirement of the license for the search engine).>
> 
> I don't know either. Those in computers do. Many on post do.

You should be able to answer the "Is it necessary" part of the question.

> 
> <Another interesting question is: Who owns the information once it is
> converted to electronic form. Clearly AIS owns the copyright to the
> printed versions. The people who convert it and check it have done some
> significant work modifying the data, do they own the copyright on the
> electronic data? I do significant work reformatting and checking the
> data getting it ready for the database. Do I own the copyright on the
> electronic database version?  There are significant, unresolved issues here.>
> 
> One could reasonably
> expect that with a volunteer effort composed of the work of many both
> directly and indirectly involved to varying degrees, the proper ownership
> would be placed in the public domain.

So AIS should lose their rights?

> The law allows for ownership it does
> not require it. 

True

> Already, rightly or wrongly so, there exists a perception
> of AIS as an organization controlled by a west coast clique, one hand washing
> the other, callous to the needs of, and obligations to its membership and the
> iris world. 

Now that is a stretch. And I don't think that particular argument
belongs here.

> Herein lies opportunity to change that ill conceived perception
> some or perpetuate it some. Good can be accomplished with accomplishment of
> good as the objective with good as its reward. 

Getting the data in electronic form is (in my opinion) a giant first
step. If there is no good percieved in that, then I am sorry.


> <I think those items are all more important that worrying the CD problems
> right now. I am not opposed to CDs, it is just that getting the data
> online solves a lot of people's needs faster. (and until we get the
> electronic data, we can't make the cd anyway)>
> 
> It may be you under estimate both the demand and need for CD data. 

Please explain the distinction between being able to download the data
and buying it on a CD. 

> While
> there are at least a few list members with a need. there is a retail nursery
> trade that just has not yet recognized the need simply because it does not
> exist. 

Well that is an interesting thought. How would a retail nursery use the
CD information? I sell potted TBs sometimes through a retail nursery. In
my experience, all they care about is that the iris are in bloom so the
pots sell. The Wal-Marts etc just put a picture on the front of the bin
(nevermind whether it is the corrrect picture or not) to sell the rhizomes.

> 
> Respondin' to the pop quiz and skippin' some questions,

Better to say don't know than skip...

John                     | "There be dragons here"
                         |  Annotation used by ancient cartographers
                         |  to indicate the edge of the known world.

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