Re: HYB: sdlgs, pedigrees, Tempo Two, etc

Linda  --  As you say, there can be many reasons that a seedling would be
used extensively in breeding, but never introduced.  I would guess that in
most cases, the plant itself isn't distinctive enough to be introduced (or
maybe even "ugly"), but has certain characteristics or attributes that the
breeder wants to incorporate in his subsequent developments.  I can think of
two or three examples.  I have a seedling, 93RR6, that has two
characteristics which I want: near-black, shiny "crushed velvet" falls, and
excellent branching.  The falls, however, are a bit strappy, so it's not
something I would want to introduce.  Still, I use it extensively in pursuit
of improved branching and black velvet falls.  Conceivably, down the line, I
might have several introductions that have this seedling in their
background.

Two of my registered seedlings, ALLELUIA and KINDLE A FLAME, have seedling
954D2 in their background.  It is a purple bitone with dark velvet ruffled
falls and a lighter purple band around the falls.  The flower had the good,
arching falls that I like, but simply wasn't attractive enough to be
introduced.  But the purple band on the falls and the fact that it has
rebloomer and recessive amoena heritage kept me using it, in the hope that
cousin crosses later would produce some nice things.  I can't post a picture
of 954D2 until I get my replacement scanner installed, but I will post
ALLELUIA and KINDLE A FLAME to iris-photos.  Neither resembles their common
ancestor, but neither would be here without it

--  Griff.

From: "Linda Mann" <lmann@volfirst.net>
To: "iris- talk" <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:08 AM
Subject: [iris] HYB: sdlgs, pedigrees, Tempo Two, etc


> Reading pedigrees again....I see a lot of pedigrees that list an
> unregistered sibling of something that was introduced.  Sometimes, the
> same unregistered seedlings will show up in several pedigrees.
> Occasionally, the same seedling will show up in pedigrees of irises of
> hybridizers other than the person who bred it.
>
> I guess there are a lot of reasons that an unregistered plant would be
> used in a breeding program...Maybe the better, introduced sibling is
> completely sterile or pod/pollen infertile or unreliably fertile. Maybe
> it doesn't increase well enough to be a good commercial plant or isn't
> healthy enough.  Maybe the one that isn't introduced has a more
> desirable pattern or colors, but other faults that make it not worth
> introducing.
>
> Although my growing conditions mean I can't really plan most of my
> crosses ahead of time, I like to think about it anyway.  And I wish
> there were a way to find out the colors and patterns of these seedlings.
>
> For example, in the current Tempo Two catalog, several cultivars list a
> SHADOWS sib in their pedigree, usually as pollen parent.  Looking in the
> R&I's, I see that F175-1 is the seedling used.  It's in the pedigree of
> HOLD MY HAND, ENCHANTER, LULLABYE LIGHT, ROMANTIC GENTLEMAN, and BABYLON
> QUEEN.
>
> What does F175-1 look like?  Does KK grow it?  Will it be introduced one
> day?  Must be something really good to have produced all those lovelies!
>
> --
> Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
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