Re: HYB: Long Question about Rebloom

First of all thanks very much for your responses,
Dorothy, Linda and Betty.
You've all given me a lot more to think about. In case
my confusion might have covered my excitement, I am
very excited about this seedling reblooming and can
hardly wait to use it for hybridizing next season.
I'll post another picture on Iris-Photos now that the
stalk has two open fresh flowers -- and that, after
the frost killed all the tomatoes last night.

Dorothy Willott wrote:
 
>How sure are you that I. suaveolens var. 
>mellita is a once bloomer?   We used 
>to have a clone of I suaveolens var. 
>rubromarginata that rebloomed in  the 
>fall.  Since rubromarginata is often 
>considered a form of mellita, it  might be 
>possible that the mellita in CLOWN PANTS 
>has rebloom tendencies.

I hadn't considered that. I no longer have the mellita
that I had used; but it probably wouldn't have
rebloomed for me anyway. I have two new clones (one
mellita and one rubromarginata), and even if they
don't rebloom for me, it's still possible that they do
for someone, somewhere.
 
Linda Mann wrote:

>Was that helpful?  Somehow, I bet it isn't ......
>And of course, what I said applies to TBs 
>with 4 sets of chromosomes,
>not the two you are working with in diploids.
>Your work with diploids
>might sort some of this stuff out as to how 
>many doses of mistakes it
>takes to get 'repeat' bloom vs everbloom 
>vs spring/fall bloom.

Yes, it was all very helpful. And you're right, maybe
working with diploids will allow me to clarify some of
this rebloom inheritance..
 
Betty W. wrote:

>I'd like to address the subject of 'oncers.'
>Or maybe just the  term.  By 
>definition a 'oncer' should only bloom in 
>the spring!  
>In fact, many irises thought to be oncers 
>have been  reported to fall bloom.  
Somewhere!  Maybe Australia, maybe  California.
>Or someone's back yard.  
>Other's may have put up  stalks that went 
>unnoticed.  
>Often 'oncers' are carriers.  Although 
>they never express  the rebloom 
>gene/genes, they are capable of passing 
>the genes on to  their children.  
>Maybe these irises are simply rebloom
>carriers that had not been  
>discovered/publicized?  Or maybe 
>they were never paired with the right 
>partner?  

True! And some of the MTB's and diploid species that
I've been trying to incorporate into my crosses, have
been observed to rebloom somewhere else [never for me,
it seems ;o)]. If I'm remembering right, Iris
variegata routinely reblooms for Chuck Chapman in
Canada. And Consummation is supposed to rebloom in
California. Consummation seems to be in the pedigrees
of several of Ken Fishers reblooming MTB's (although I
think it's just West coast rebloom).

So, once again, thanks for sharing your knowledge,
guys.
I look forward to returning the favor, as I try to
help unravel some of these mysteries.
Take care, Tom
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