Re: RE: Flounces
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  • Subject: Re: RE: Flounces
  • From: C* C* <i*@aim.com>
  • Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:12:23 -0400 (EDT)
Best bet would be to look at various pictures of SA iris to see how they develop. That should give you lead as to what is and isn't possible. 

Chuck Chapman

-----Original Message-----
From: Debra Scott <proverb_31@hotmail.com>
To: iris <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:55 am
Subject: [iris] RE: Flounces

Thank you for the responses to my questions about flounces.
Chuck, I wonder then if I should focus on using Luminata type patterns (or other patterns with different petal color near the beard) with flounces so as to give the appearance of a different colored flounce? Is the flounce color more likely to be that of the tissue near the beard or that of the overall falls color? Ibm guessing probably the color near the beard since that is 
where it is originating from.

Debra Scott

Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:05:19 -0400 (EDT)

From: Chuck Chapman <irischapman@aim.com>
Subject: Re: [iris] [HYB] Flounces
The flounces would be same colour as the tissue they originate from. 
As

they originate from falls, they have same colour as falls.

Yes they are coming from beard, but the beard is modified petal tissue
of falls. As a beard they are under control of tissue identity as
beard. When they become petaloids, they are under control of petal
genetics.

Chuck Chapman




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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:36:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Paul Archer <pharcher@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [iris] [HYB] Flounces
It's only a consolation right now, but when my Iris database is 
complete and
published it can be sorted to tell you which varieties have tints of color in the flounces different from the Falls. I have already noticed while entering them that there are a few that have horns with more intense anthocyanin that the Falls. Also some with deeper carotenoids than the norm when a white Fall 
patch is present. Just from memory though.
It might be possible to transfer the intensity from the horn to the 
flounce
much like the the beard color was "disassociated" from the petal color long 
ago.
Right now it would take me a couple hours to find them as they are 
not in a
compiled format yet and all aren't entered at the moment. They will hopefully all be entered by end of January, then a bit of editing and you/we will be 
able to search any character.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Debra Scott <proverb_31@hotmail.com>
To: iris <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:22 pm
Subject: [iris] [HYB] Flounces

Ibm interested in breeding for flounces, especially flounces of a
different
color than the primary flower color if possible. Ibm not even sure if
it is
possible given that the flounce is commonly a petaloid of the same
tissue type
as the primary petals but coming out of what would be the beard. 
Still,

if we
can have standards & falls of different colors perhaps it might be
possible to
develop a flounce of a different color.

Does anyone have a comprehensive list of spaceage iris that
consistently show
a flounce? Can any of you give suggestions for potential breeding 
stock

for
flounces?

I have tried to join the spaceage robin but there does not seem to be
any
activity there in quite some time.

Which hybridizers are working on spaceage iris these days?

Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.

Debra Scott
Timnath, CO z5 region 20


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