Re: OT: publication of iris-talk?

Thanks, Dallas, for raising these questions.  For the most part, they 
hadn't even occurred to me.  I don't see such a book as raising 
controversial issues and recording debate about them, anything 
someone might find embarrassing in print.  And of course EVERYTHING 
included in the book would be passed by ALL contributors, to catch 
anything that someone might be uncomfortable with.

Still... the questions are valid.  And newcomers should be assured 
that nothing they say online would be used for any other purpose 
without their permission.  What do others think?

As for categories, I indicated how I'd casually made mine, mostly 
using the same headers as the group's current form.  I would hope 
that articles from the various pubs of the AIS and regionals could be 
included, focusing not on controversy but expertise, including the 
invaluable experience of home growers.  That, I think, would make the 
beginner more confident that (s)he could make contributions to the 
collective experience.

Patricia
Whidbey Island, WA

--- In iris-talk@egroups.com, "D. Patterson" <nye@m...> wrote:
> IRIS-TALK BOOK
> 
> At the risk of voicing an unpopular question, I have to ask if 
anyone
> has considered the potential negative consequences of publishing
> iris-talk in print? Is the print publication of iris-talk worth the
> potential risks to the future of the forum?
> 
> First, can the print publication or even talk of a possible print
> publication from this forum result in a chilling of future 
participation
> in iris-talk? Will iris-talk subscribers feel comfortable posting 
casual
> comments if they suspect their messages may be edited, printed for
> permanance, and distributed in book form? What are the ethical
> considerations when messages are converted to a different 
use 'after'
> they have been contributed to iris-talk?
> 
> Second, is it realistic to secure permission for everyone's 
copyright in
> their messages? Would the process of securing the copyright 
permissions
> lead to dissension, controversy, and chill future participation in 
the
> forum?
> 
> The maintenance of archives for maillist messages already 
discourages
> some people from participation in various forums. A number of
> subscribers would rather lurk than have their casual comments 
preserved
> for posterity. That is one of the reasons chat rooms are popular 
with
> some subscribers. They are more confident that an erroneous or 
ignorant
> remark will not haunt them forever. Some professionals would rather 
not
> risk having their casual comments and errors taken out of context or
> misrepresented.  Printing those remarks in the permanance of a book
> could be daunting for newbies and professionals alike.
> 
> I'm sorry to introduce a sour note after so many enthusiastic
> endorsements. However, I can suggest a potential solution. This 
forum
> already uses message tags in the subject headers. Individuals who 
wish
> to post messages to this forum with the specific intent of granting
> permission for future print publication could do so by adding 
a 'PUB',
> '-P', or similar subject header. Subscribers who respond to such a
> thread with the same subject heading automatically grant their own
> permissions as well. Subscribers who don't wish to grant 
permissions can
> still participate in the thread by not using the 'PUB' or '-P'
> designation in the subject header. Such a procedure would at least
> maintain a trust and confidence that the forum would not at some 
future
> date appropriate messages for a use that was never intended by the
> author of the message.
> 
> An advantage to using multiple subject tags is the opportunity for
> deliberately organizing and promoting the submission of articles 
with
> copyright permissions for the publication of a future Iris-Talk 
book.
> Perhaps the subject tags could be organized and defined to classify 
the
> messages for inclusion in certain subject oriented chapters?
> 
> Would such a scheme be satisfactory for the confidence and trust of
> current lurkers and posters?
> 
> What subject categories would be in such an IRIS-TALK book?
> 
> What additional subject heading designators could be used to denote
> permission for publication? Would you simply add a '-P' to the 
existing
> subject headings?
> 
> [By the way, IMMORTALITY is reblooming. PALTEC is trying reaaal 
hard to
> bust out a blossom. It started raining today, and showers are now
> intermittant.]
> 
> Dallas Patterson
> nye@f...
> USDA Zone 8
> On Puget Sound in Washington
> 
> 
> patriciabrooks@c... wrote:
> > 
> > Hey, iris-talkers,
> > 
> > Since this will be my first year hybridizing and I'm hungry for
> > information, I have, since finding the iris-talk e-group, printed 
out
> > everything relevant to my project, going all the way back to the
> > group's inception in 1998.  I have compiled it all in a FAT 
notebook
> > getting fatter, divided by subject, such as ON HYBRIDIZING, 
CULTURE,
> > REBLOOMERS, PROVEN PARENTS, SEEDS AND SEEDLINGS, etc.  And it has
> > occured to me that other iris fanatics might be as interested as 
I in
> > this information -- which is virtually impossible to get in book 
form.
> > 
> > At first I thought to suggest half-humorously that we publish the
> > collection as I book.  But since, I've thought that such a book,
> > published by the AIS, might be valuable to all the novices in the
> > field and profitable for the AIS to sell through their storefront.
> > Everyone would have to okay the use of their contribution(s), of
> > course; but being an editor as well as a writer, I'd be happy to 
do
> > whatever editing and linking and organizing the contributions 
would
> > need to be readable as a book.
> > 
> > What do others think?  Having looked everywhere for such 
information,
> > and finding it only here, I think there might be real interest in 
it -
> > -for hobby gardeners as well as those wanting to take it further.
> > 
> > Patricia Brooks
> > patriciabrooks@c...
> >


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